Maybe it was the same place you got $50k from in the article.
The point before was: anyone who gets a B.A. in critical thinking and complains about not making $50,000.00 thinking critically about stuff is an en led emo get. You intimated that you make 50k. When I called you out on that, you didn't answer the question. Start from that point and do some critical thinking.
It's cool - I know you don't make 50k - and that you threw that out there to make my point.
This is so cute. You are butthurt about me. I'd give you a hug but I am all the way over here.
You go ahead and think I intimated whatever. I am not going to discuss my personal life with the butthurt. What I make is immaterial. A national average is an aggregate of thousands of new hires.
You have no point as in the first no one has ever said $50k but DR and I took a bit to fact check. But now you're mad and all. I'm sorry for that.
This pertains to pretty much anything imo. I had a lively "debate" with a youngster about 2 years ago who claimed that she could debunk relativity. She was a 19-year old music major at that. That's what we have today, instant experts at pretty much anything.
Gotta love the You Tube generation. Just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
Whoever thought there should be a poetry 'degree' in the first place should be very likely shot. Heck, I'm surprised Unis offering such a degree aren't being sued their asses out.
Why would I be butthurt? I make more than 3x what a critical thinker like you makes.
So you didn't get laid?
Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about
President Obama wants to get Americans back to what we do best. He wants teachers teaching, police policing, firemen fighting fires, and the rest of us checking Facebook.
-Jimmy Kimmel
Yeah I realized that all this is true for my generation a while back..i was putting along at a slow pace ing around not realizing the seriousness of the situation, not sure what i wanted to major in. Then i realized I was going to graduate about 2 or 3 years behind at the pace i was going, so i started taking summer classes to catch up. every summer, then i realized that wasn't enough so i switched my major to something i could finish up a lot faster (finance) and at that point the gloves were OFF, i was ing pissed and ready to get down. pulled my gpa to a 3.8 like a study obsessed maniac and am going to graduate this summer only a year behind by taking classes over the wintermester, taking a full load of hard classes this spring, and then 2 in the summer. it sucks but i'm realizing what others in my age group have yet to realize- it's a cold world out there and i'll be damned if i pay for the past generations mistakes with my own prosperity. what i plan to do is finish my degree, take whatever job i can get probably only making 45,000 a year, and start paying off my loans now while still living at home. yeah it ing sucks living at home 22 going on 23, and it'll suck even more living with mommy and daddy at 24, but i ain't got no other choice. this generation is ed with 55% employment rate for young people. dreams are being crushed right now. after i make some progress on my loans and after a small break, i'll be going back for the 6 or 7 classes i need for a double major in accounting by taking 2 classes at night after work for a few semesters. then taking a few grad school classes for my cpa. props if you actually read all that, i know i'm ranting but it's just that times really do suck for the under 30 crowd and i don't even think my fellow age-mates even understand the seriousness of the situation. i'll be damn near 30 years old by the time i finally got this ship steered in the right direction, and i did most everything right (going to community college and living at home to save money, working part time, etc) EXCEPT not knowing what i wanted to do in life sooner.
Absolutely fantastic article. Thanks for sharing. I'll comment when I'm not on my TouchPadCancel but at a keyboard.
See, youre not the one being described in the article in the OP at all. There is nothing wrong with slacking a bit, but at some point, one must commit to a path. A well thought out path with a clear goal.
You did. Finance is a career, an applicable career, employed or private practice.
I fully realize the OP article is just a snapshot of big city emo kids. I work with youngins' full of work ethic, drive and potential who didnt elect the college path.
Its quite refreshing to hear, actually.
i'm just thankful as that i have no kids, no female to support, and my parents are awesome enough to support me in these times and let me live here as long as i'm working or in school or both. i'll only have about 20k in debt when i'm done, that isn't too bad compared to most i would think?
me thinks my girl being a and changing on me was a blessing in disguise at this point. I was spendin money on her that she didn't deserve anyway. not to mention i found out she was an illegal immigrant and basically can't even use her degree, and this ain't the welfare line.
tee, hee
You rail against VY and others for making assumptions about you, then make assumptions about me.
Hypocritical much?
Before me, the company never paid bonuses, didnt offer health insurance and did not have a retirement program. It was an alley shop. Do you know what that phrase means?
I pay my Plant Manager (same one from the 3 Kings era) more than you make, trust me. Base salary: $80k. Bonuses always vary and are based on profit percentage, but in 2010 (which was one of our better years comparatively, but will be the low-water mark going forward), he made $115k. 2011 has been an absolutely outstanding year, he can fully expect to get a $20k bonus check this Christmas. He could damn near pay off his house in one year's work.
The foreman made ~$80k. The boys on the floor all make over $50k with overtime and bonuses. These guys on the floor are all under 30 years old, some without a high school diploma, some are convicts, almost all of them are from broken families full of drug addicts, violent deaths and dependance on welfare.
2 of these young guys are the bread winners in their family. They actually support their mothers and sister (+kids) on the wage I pay them.
Ive changed lives, Lumpkins. Ive changed entire families destinies (or fates, if you prefer). Ive touched dozens of people, given them applicable skills and watched them move on to bigger and better things, all while paying them an extremely good wage.
What in the ever-loving have you done, guy?
BTW, the Plant Manager and Foremen have only a high school diploma. The foreman has never done anything else besides this trade. The Plant Manager would go back to truck driving in a heartbeat if we closed.
So, the foreman's choice is to be unemployed for $361 a week and the Plant Manager can go make half of what he does with me.
You think theyre unhappy and ungrateful? I made a promise to them early on, we grow, you grow. Ive kept my promise as have they. Its symbiotic, yet you characterize me as a parasite in your assumptions.
I think you missed the point of the article quite badly, DR. It was talking about people almost exactly like the mindset of Y.H. and how our generation is full of them. You seem to think otherwise.
I think DR got pissed off about the haircuts by the second page (as he stated in his first post) and let that color his reading of the rest of the article.
I hope you mean people like I WAS, not am
I am employed, so your assumption is wrong. You are combative, hurling insults and profanity with absolutely no provocation.
Let me summarize your wall of text for everybody!
Your anecdote is not indicative of everyone's situation. The plural of "anecdote" is something called "data":
I don't think there would be this many articles about adult children moving back home unless there was something seriously wrong with our society and economy:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNM41LHSAT.DTL
http://www.digtriad.com/news/article...Coexist-Again-The U.S. Census Bureau says that from 2007, just before the recession hit, to 2010, a year after the recession officially ended, the number of adults ages 25 to 34 living with their parents shot up 26 percent, from 4.7 million to 5.9 million.
Unemployment for adults younger than 24 is double the national mark of 9.1 percent. According to a Purdue University study, more than two-thirds of parents are giving their grown children financial assistance, double the rate of 20 years ago.
http://www.andersonvalleypost.com/ne...ing-back-home/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124736728106627671.html
http://calcoastnews.com/2011/10/%E2%...eturning-home/
Since you only seem to understand anecdotes, I will share mine.
I get paid nearly three times as much money as an independent contractor than the job I was offered in my field after I graduated (Biology degree, 4.0 GPA, children's cancer research). All of my similarly-aged cousins who have graduated college (nearly a dozen people) have no means of providing support for a middle-class family. That's quite statistically significant.
To try and blame my generation for having few jobs is morally repugnant. We had nothing to do with all of our predecessors completely ing the economy up beyond repair.
I had more to say earlier than I think I do now but I'll still make some points:
There's a lot of anger and frustration in the people who are 20-35 or so. There has been for awhile and I think the author hit the nail on the head about the 2008 election and our involvement and subsequent disillusionment. I know I identified very strongly with this part of the article because all of the optimism I felt in 2008 is absolutely gone and filled with far more cynicism about the political process and our ability to achieve change through that system than I was at any point during the Bush administration. That being said I have been taken by surprise by the strength and increasing popularity of the occupy movement so perhaps there is hope, somewhere.
I'm not sure if the links the author makes between the way our parents raised us and some of the personality traits embodied by our generation. While it makes superficial sense to me that this would be the case, I often think that you can make the links you want to make when they rely mostly on perception and not quantifiable fact. That might just be the scientist in me thinking but it is what it is. That being said, I DO think the ideas put forth make sense and I certainly don't think the "participation certificate" and "everyone's a winner" mentality is without some incredibly huge drawbacks. The self esteem figures are really interesting, though. The baseline here for me is the idea that I've held for a long time that our parents (I'm speaking in a very general generational sense here - god knows my mother (and life) drilled into my head that life was not fair) did an incredibly poor job teaching us how cruel life could be and how NOTHING is guaranteed. No, you can't be anything you want and yes you need to get a bit lucky sometimes.
As for the choice of majors of the people in the article, they are obviously fairly poor if the end run is employment at a gainful rate. I think this was discussed a bit in the college thread we had and I think many people will have learned a valuable if expensive lesson as a by product.
In the end, I know that I personally feel very much in line with the conclusions the author makes. I definitely live a frugal life and am dealing with an uncertain future regarding college debt and employment. The fact is that I have a desire to do certain things that is so great I am willing to deal with that uncertainty. In the end I feel I've been very smart in how much debt I've taken on and how much I can expect to leave with once I'm done with my undergrad. I've sought out opportunities to position myself ahead of others in my prospective field. I've already got professional experience in my field and I hope to be adding much more over the next year. I can honestly say I'm doing the best I can to make sure I do make it. But really, I've also stopped worrying so much about what will happen if I don't "make it". Why? Because there's really not much more I can do to ensure that I will. I'll do what it takes and deal with the world that is left to me by previous generations.
I may get unlucky and for whatever reason things may not go my way but I can't control that. It heartens me to learn that many more people in my age or younger are willing to deal with may come and just put their head down and plow forward regardless.
It's clear that if everyone had the drive and self-motivation, jobs would just magically appear.
About the article, I started reading it, but I just didn't get the feeling it was talking about me, so I kinda went over the last few pages <shrug>
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