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I wonder if Stern is really sick...
Anyway, there are some good news coming from the negotiations but as long as they haven't reach a deal, these progresses mean nothing.
Straitjacket, probably.
The owners might have realized what bad press they were getting and started getting realistic. Stern may be out.
I wonder if Stern is really sick...
Anyway, there are some good news coming from the negotiations but as long as they haven't reach a deal, these progresses mean nothing.
Bruno, with the wet blanket
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Negotiations have broken off in New York and no new meetings are scheduled, league source tells Y! Sports.
Annnd boom goes the dynamite.WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Talks on a 50-50 BRI split broke down, and labor talks have ended, source tells Y! No new meetings scheduled. Huge setback in this lockout.
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A crock of . They broke down because once again the two sides worked their way to the issue of a hard cap.
Stay strong players. No capPERIOD
Good. Mediator out of the way. Hope they just move to decertify now.
Holt live on NBA TV at the moment.
Silver: "we felt me made compromises, we recognize we are disappointing fans around the world and we are having impact on thousands of jobs. we have certain core beliefs we feel are necessary to achieve in order to play basketball. at this time we have no further discussions scheduled. "
Holt: "Compe ive issues are just as big as financial issues. Been going back and forth for 2 years and we are still far apart. We want all 30 markets to have an opp to compete and make money. Not a guarantee, but an opportunity. I know me in SA won't make as much as a bigger market. We can't quite bridge the gap and it was very disappointing for us. We have no meeting scheduled, a tough day, tough day. "
And goodbye season. On to college ball.
Grade school attempt by Cohen,,,get 'em sayin' "yes, yes, yes, yes" and when we bring out the BFH (big ing hammer) (hard cap) they'll just pass it out of habit.
Uh, uh.
You ain't disappointin' me, daddy. You ain't bulldoozin' this bunch.
Not by a jugful you ain't.
And now the next step is to sue. It makes sense considering that the reason for the impasse is a clear ideological split within the trust.
If that does indeed happen I hope that we go into a 2012 season with a new commissioner.
Fffffuuuuuuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkk!!!!!
Questions:
1) You say no meetings scheduled, but you've said that before and met again, do you see that happening?
- Holt: Costs are going up, and it's going to be tougher to get together which hampers the ability to make a deal.
2) Did the mediator exhaust everything he can do?
- Holt: He's done all he can, he gets a lot of credit. We would have liked to keep it going, but both sides realized they were too far apart.
3) Actions on games?
- Silver: We have to regroup with David to determine next steps. No announcement on missed games yet.
4) What was the issue that led to breaking off talks and where was each side?
- Silver: Split of revenue. Back and forth with last formal proposal at 47% for us and 53% for the players. We made an offer yesterday of 50% to compromise and even though we suffered huge losses and their response was to go to 52.5%. They made it clear that if the owners wouldn't move north of 50% there was nothing left to discuss.
5) Progress, even if slow, why not keep going? Why not stick with it?
- Holt: Both sides felt stuck. After 2 years and multiple meetings, we've worn each other out. They are where they are and we are where we are. We need fresh air then we can get back together.
6) Timetable on cancellations?
Silver - Not prepared to answer.
7) System issues still the same huge obstacle?
Silver - I'm not getting into specifics, but we are still very far apart on system issues. Players fell if BRI is lowered, they should get what they are looking for on system issues. They are two independent goals both of which are critically important for our teams. Both economically and compe ively and we cannot trade one off for the other. There is no we win one, you win one because we can't have a future in this league. That wouldn't be a sustainable long-term business model. We don't want the outcome to be so controlled by spending so much more than other teams.
8) Any small issues solved, any common ground?
-Holt: We made some progress on smaller issues to be fair. We had hope about today we could close the gap more. Both sides feel like they are banging their heads together and that can lead to an even more emotional negotiation. Emotions running high.
It certainly isn't a coincidence that talks broke just after an owners meeting.
There aren't 2 sides in this conflict, there are 3 sides:
- The players: they want a players friendly CBA.
- The big market owners: they don't really care about the CBA, they just don't want to give money to small market teams.
- The small market owners: they either want to get some money from big markets or to get a team friendly CBA.
I'm all for new talks with the federal mediator except that it must be this time between small market and big market owners.
9) You've done a lot and your still far apart, why would there be a breakthrough now?
Holt: In negotiations like this you have to stay optimistic. You never give up. We're not giving up and they aren't either. We need to figure out a way to make a deal.
10) If you are at 50% and they are at 52.5%, with the calculation on how much you lose, it's more with the missing games than the move, can you explain?
Silver: Your math is wrong because it's not one year, it's 10 years. You can always use the logic of "hey you moved once, move again". We formally proposed a split of 47 to 53% which is 50/50. There were other small concepts involved, but they said they were at 52.5%, and in fairness to them they said they were open to moving if we were and we made it clear this is as far as we are willing to go.
11) Are you guys saying that no matter how long this goes, you aren't going above 50%?
Holt: As of today, that is correct. We won't say never, which is why you stay optimistic. We feel a little breathing room would help our side.
12) Do you think you will ever get them from 50? How are you ever going to get them to 50?
Holt: I don't think it's a big jump, obviously do.
13) You don't need to be in NY or LA to win, how has the system changed for you?
Holt: Last 2 years we lost money which wasn't the case before. It was getting worse. SA was going the same route, we just go there a little later. Fortunately Tim Duncan showed up and we won les. It helped buffer us. If not for that, we would have been losing money even before these last two years.
14) Any other complications with the players 52.5%, was there a band?
Silver: It was a band.
15) When you say there were willing to move on BRI to get system issues, are you?
Silver: In terms of principals, they are independent. One goes to a sustainable business model one is for compe ion. We have a greater obligation to the game, that its not just about money, but it's about long term for the league. We see the data as clear. A team that spends 100M vs a team that spends 50M has a big advantage. There's a reason that the NFL and NHL have been successful with hard caps.
Precisely. It's never been about anything else cept the hard cap.
The players told 'em to themselves. And that's what they should do.
Shut up
Holt and Silver still talking: NHL model is for us.
Fisher: I want to make it clear, you guys were lied to earlier.
Im on the owners side on this because I want to see the spurs compete for a championship again once duncan retires. I don't want to see superstars leaving in free agency to create talent packed teams where 3-4 teams have a chance to compete for the championship every year.
The big market owners don't care because they are looking to be the destination of these super teams (LA, Miami, NY and Boston).
I see no fun or reason to follow a league and a game that is setup to create such disparity.
That's what Fisher & the players get. Cohen pulled the same on them that Stern has been pullin' for the past 3 years:::treat 'em like "boys" and they'll sop it up like gravy. Only this time unlike when it was a dress code or zero tolerance officiating the players told 'em:::go yourselves.
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