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    Good thing no flashbangs were used.


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    http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/1...sters-violence

    Divisions in the #OccupyOakland Protest Seed Unrest


    Violence came in waves. Many demonstrators peace-saluted police and called through bullhorns: "This is a peaceful protest! This is a civilian movement!" But from the moment I arrived in Oakland at 10:15 p.m., I saw a visible minority spoiling for conflict. Tinder had built across the night at the intersection of 14th Street and Broadway, a mixture of expectation and adrenaline. Protesters had balked at what they saw as disproportionate policing: They'd been teargassed once already. But how to respond was a matter of intense debate in the crowd of about 1,000.

    People shouted each other down while police—as many as 100, in full riot gear, from several different counties—bristled in their formation behind a single metal barricade; news and police helicopters provided the soundtrack. Xavier Manalo, a 25-year-old tennis instructor holding the forward-most protest banner, admitted there were "rogue elements" in the group but insisted the "pressure of the peaceful will be the deterrent" to the violence.

    Manalo was wrong. I saw groups of protestors arguing, not only with the police—who were the constant subject of heckling and catcalls—but with each other. There were calls to retaliate by throwing things like eggs back over the barricade, just as a big group of around 40 people started to chant, "Don't Throw ! Don't Throw !"

    Time passed and restlessness set in. Another fight broke out in front of me.

    "You don't need to be splitting this ing movement!" one man yelled at a guy holding a bullhorn who had been trying to reassure police of the group's peaceful motives. He was angry that the man with the megaphone had characterized a group of demonstrators as violent. "You don't have to be doing their ing work for them!" he yelled.

    No one appeared in control and the group was divided into two groups: the largely peaceful, and a small, visible, determined group of agitators.

    At the height of this melee, I saw two men throw bottles at the police. People screamed and scrambled for air ahead of the inevitable: a half-dozen canisters of tear gas—some crackling and echoing off the Rite Aid building. Caught up in taking pictures, I breathed and choked. It felt like I had swallowed chilies and then rubbed the chilies into my eyes for good measure. I heard reports of rubber bullets and saw demonstrators tending to the distressed. My Twitter feed told me of at least one bloody injury—a man hit in the head with a canister—but the gas made the intersection impossible to rejoin for 10 minutes to confirm injuries.

    A brief lull, then this scene repeated. The group came back together—around 800—with protesters calling to those who were still cowering behind bus shelters or cleaning their eyes to "not be afraid," to "not run away." And so it began again: talks, disagreements about engagement, improvised debates about the meaning of nonviolence, and a swirling sense of anticipation.

    The breaker: Another bottle was hurled from the crowd and tear gas canisters were lobbed back. Accord between the protestors had not been reached.

    In the end, the group waned, the police swelled, and there was a steady stalemate at the metal perimeter of the intersection—not only between protesters and police, but also between protesters and other protesters. People circled on bicycles; meditators chanted, eyes clenched; and reporters simply waited.

    "Occupy Oakland is no longer playing a part in this protest," one officer told me—rogue actors, he suggested, had taken control. And indeed by midnight, the earlier calls for peace had fallen away to catcalls and heckling.

    "We're losing if we're losing people," said a 24-year-old protester who said his first name was LaMarr. "It's about to be over soon."

    As the protesters filtered away, I spoke with a group of tired cops covered in blue and orange paint—and that wasn't all, said one sergeant who wouldn't give his name. He said they'd also been pelted with glass and vinegar, and one officer claimed to have tasted urine in the mix. So how did tonight compare with others he's seen? He laughed and said, "Well, it's not quite a homicide."

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    Good thing no flashbangs were used.


    Ever heard of a tear gas grenade?

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    Ever heard of a tear gas grenade?
    Oh, is SOP to toss a ing grenade of any sort into a group that is obviously helping someone who is injured?

    Ever heard of common sense?

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    Oh, is SOP to toss a ing grenade of any sort into a group that is obviously helping someone who is injured?

    Ever heard of common sense?

    Probably not common sense to throw bottles at police, either.

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    I didn't realize "thousands of posts on an internet forum" is a credential.

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    Probably not common sense to throw bottles at police, either.
    Did you see bottles being thrown in that video? No?

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    Why aren't the cops tossing water bottles instead of tear gas grenades?

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    Did you see bottles being thrown in that video? No?


    Oops


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    I see the words "that video" confused you. Understandable.

    For the record, a cop throws a grenade at me at that range when I'm not doing to them and bottles thrown at them is compeltely legit.

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    in Darrin's world if i slap you its okay to hit me over the head and kill me. His corporate lobbyist overlords better hope that soldier lives.

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    Police never use tear gas to break up unruly mobs.

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    helping someone hurt equals being unruly. You're such a good little boy, Darrin.

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    Police never use tear gas to break up unruly mobs.
    Its called appropriate use of force and not carte blanche.

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    helping someone hurt equals being unruly. You're such a good little boy, Darrin.

    You don't know what really happened, do you?

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    You don't know what really happened, do you?
    I know that common sense tells me that grenade in the video I posted did not need to be thrown. The police officer who threw it even did it a cowardly way as it was evident he was trying to hide it. The people in that crowd were not threatening anyone (which considering the situation is commendable).

    Every action by the Oakland PD and the people they answer too after this event only proves that further. They're walking their bull back faster than even you could muster.

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    You don't know what really happened, do you?
    Its quite simple. The police told all the press to disperse. Lined up theeir Riot Rockettes with shields and batons used a loudspeaker to tell the crowd they would either disperse or be made to disperse at which point the crowd told them to go their pig selves and a few threw some debris in which not a single officer was harmed. In response the police launched metal canisters containing tear gas into the crowd and advanced. Most of the people ran because despite your attempt at categorization of the whole, the vast majority are peaceful. At least one man might die because of police action.

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    To protect and serve. Lawl.

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    I didn't realize "thousands of posts on an internet forum" is a credential.
    Says the guy who spends his days posting in the cesspool called the club.....I can't even read that forum anymore...

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    Its quite simple. The police told all the press to disperse. Lined up theeir Riot Rockettes with shields and batons used a loudspeaker to tell the crowd they would either disperse or be made to disperse at which point the crowd told them to go their pig selves and a few threw some debris in which not a single officer was harmed. In response the police launched metal canisters containing tear gas into the crowd and advanced. Most of the people ran because despite your attempt at categorization of the whole, the vast majority are peaceful. At least one man might die because of police action.
    Don't forget that a few good men, Marines, led a group of protestors past police back into the plaza last night...

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    Hey, what'd you know...protestors were firing at police


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    Says the guy who spends his days posting in the cesspool called the club.....I can't even read that forum anymore...
    I don't know why, since you will fit right in with your fellow mentally re ed conspiracy theorists like mouse and cosmored.

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    I don't know why, since you will fit right in with your fellow mentally re ed conspiracy theorists like mouse and cosmored.
    You seriously trying to compare me to Mouse....run along little boy before you get hurt....back to the cess pool from where you came...

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    Google does the right thing...

    We received a request from a local law enforcement agency to remove YouTube videos of police brutality, which we did not remove. Separately, we received requests from a different local law enforcement agency for removal of videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. We did not comply with those requests, which we have categorized in this Report as defamation requests.

    Good on Google. This report, reflecting the months from January to June of this year, sets an important precedent, one that is surely relevant as videos of violent police behavior from the Occupy protests grow in number and play counts. With this report, Google seems to be indicating that users who post such videos have the company's protection. In places like Egypt and Tunisia, the spread of videos portraying government brutality seems to have galvanized protesters. If Google were to take down such videos, that could have a powerful detrimental effect on the Occupy movement.
    Altantic

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    You seriously trying to compare me to Mouse....run along little boy before you get hurt....back to the cess pool from where you came...
    I forgot, you have thousands of posts on an internet forum. You're clearly not the one to mess with.

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