Resuming CBA talks

[Mel_13]

These NBA players aren't stars without the NBA. Bottom line.

LeBron James, for example, was a media superstar long before he ever played in the NBA. I can cite examples going back to the 1950s.

[Buddy Holly]

Your first post clearly suggested that sharing an arena would be difficult, if not impossible. When challenged, you changed the parameters to require an actual example of a shared arena.

You're really not very good at this, which is ok. What's so funny is that you actually believe that you're making any sort of coherent case in this thread.

Wasn't backpedaling.

My original comment was directed at Elnono who said there were tons of college arenas that could be used for his ABA teams. I have never heard of a college arenas that shared their court with NBA games.

You than made a statement that then caused me to question which you answered.

Again, where did I backpedal?

[Buddy Holly]

There's more than 10-15 star players.

Maybe we have a different definitions of star player.

A star player can lead a team on the court as well as sell a team off the court.

Very very few in the NBA.

[ElNono]

1. You're backpedaling again. NBA teams have 41 home games and college teams fewer than 20. Scheduling would be no problem. MSG, for example, hosts plenty of college games through the course of the NBA season. Beyond that, most NBA cities have alternate locations better than "dimly lit convention halls". , even San Antonio has the Alamodome.

MSG has enough time to host a full NBA season, college games, music concerts, hockey games...

But they wouldn't have room to host a multi-million dollar league full of stars

[Mel_13]

Wasn't backpedaling.

My original comment was directed at Elnono who said there were tons of college arenas that could be used for his ABA teams. I have never heard of a college arenas that shared their court with NBA games.

You than made a statement that then caused me to question which you answered.

Again, where did I backpedal?

Already answered.

see the first part of post #1384.

[Buddy Holly]

LeBron James, for example, was a media superstar long before he ever played in the NBA. I can cite examples going back to the 1950s.

A media superstar because he was groomed as an NBA player in middle school.

Without the NBA, there are no stars. Sorry.

Lebron isn't getting SI coverage in middle school and high school if his end result is college basketball or the Euroleague.

[ElNono]

Maybe we have a different definitions of star player.

A star player can lead a team on the court as well as sell a team off the court.

Very very few in the NBA.

More than 10-15. Plus there's not a single owner that can do the same.

[Buddy Holly]

MSG has enough time to host a full NBA season, college games, music concerts, hockey games...

But they wouldn't have room to host a multi-million dollar league full of stars

No, because the NBA owned Knicks play in MSG.

[ElNono]

No, because the NBA owned Knicks play in MSG.

And? What makes you think Dolan wouldn't own an ABA team?

[Mel_13]

A media superstar because he was groomed as an NBA player in middle school.

Without the NBA, there are no stars. Sorry.

Lebron isn't getting SI coverage in middle school and high school if his end result is college basketball or the Euroleague.

You actually believe that stuff. Hilarious.

[Buddy Holly]

More than 10-15. Plus there's not a single owner that can do the same.

Owners? We're not talking about the owners. We're talking about NBA versus players.

You seem to put way too much value into the players. Way too much. As if you were one.

[ElNono]

Lebron isn't getting SI coverage in middle school and high school if his end result is college basketball or the Euroleague.

He would if he played for the ABA star-studded league.

[ElNono]

Owners? We're not talking about the owners. We're talking about NBA versus players.

No, we're talking about star players.

You seem to put way too much value into the players. Way too much. As if you were one.

And you seem to backpedal or change the subject rather quickly when you get called out on your nonsense

"casual viewers"

[Buddy Holly]

You actually believe that stuff. Hilarious.

So if no premier professional US basketball league existed, Lebron is getting his high school games covered by ESPN?

Lebron wasn't a media star because he was a good basketball player, it was because he was destined to be a future NBA star.

Without the popularity of the NBA, the players talent is meaningless.

How many future WNBA players get their high school games televised?

[ElNono]

There will always be a professional US basketball league... that's the point your missing...

If you are arguing that there won't be a professional US basketball league if it's not called the NBA, then you need to back that up.

[Buddy Holly]

And? What makes you think Dolan wouldn't own an ABA team?

What? In what world would the NBA allow one of their owners to own a team that belong to their biggest compe ion?

[ElNono]

What? In what world would the NBA allow one of their owners to own a team that belong to their biggest compe ion?

In the world where the NBA cannot afford not to have a team in a market like New York. You really aren't good at this.

[Buddy Holly]

There will always be a professional US basketball league... that's the point your missing...

If you are arguing that there won't be a professional US basketball league if it's not called the NBA, then you need to back that up.

Obviously, If it were called the ABA or CBA or NABA or And1 or whatever.

The popularity of the league determines the value of its players.

If the NBA were the MLS of America, no one would give two s about most of the "star" players.

In Europe, soccer players are gods, they're rock stars who make untold millions from contracts and endorsements.

In America, not so much.

[Mel_13]

So if no premier professional US basketball league existed, Lebron is getting his high school games covered by ESPN?

Lebron wasn't a media star because he was a good basketball player, it was because he was destined to be a future NBA star.

Without the popularity of the NBA, the players talent is meaningless.

How many future WNBA players get their high school games televised?

So many pages into this and you still don't grasp the fundamental point.

The talent of the players is what makes the league popular.

[Mel_13]

Obviously, If it were called the ABA or CBA or NABA or And1 or whatever.

The popularity of the league determines the value of its players.

If the NBA were the MLS of America, no one would give two s about most of the "star" players.

smh

[ElNono]

The popularity of the league determines the value of its players.

And what determines the popularity of the league when the product *ARE* the star players?

If the NBA were the MLS of America, no one would give two s about most of the "star" players.

Exactly my point. talent = league. The MLS sucks because the actual star talent is everywhere else, where the best leagues are.

[ElNono]

The talent of the players is what makes the league popular.

[Buddy Holly]

So many pages into this and you still don't grasp the fundamental point.

The talent of the players is what makes the league popular.

But the NBA's marketing and showcasing of said talent is what makes the product popular in the first place.

If America had no desire for basketball as they don't with soccer or female basketball, it wouldn't matter how talented they were.

Why isn't the NFL or football popular world wide? I mean, the NFL has the best talent possible but no one cares outside of north america.

[Buddy Holly]

Exactly my point. talent = league. The MLS sucks because the actual star talent is everywhere else, where the best leagues are.

No, MLS sucks because America has no interest in soccer. The MLS could line each team with the worlds best talent, they're stilling going to be a very distance 5th in the ranking of America's sports leagues.

[Mel_13]

But the NBA's marketing and showcasing of said talent is what makes the product popular in the first place.

It's the talent that is marketed. It's the talent that comes first. It's the talent that is the indispensable element.