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Don't accept and decertify.
accept the in deal you dip s.
Don't accept and decertify.
it would be funny cause if they did, my guess is somehow the owners try to block it. jordan is very determined. he doesnt give a damn about his image he cares about his wallet. he would be willing to take the fall. of course he is betting on the players not taking rape willingly.
Players are going to have to make a stand, if not now, in 6 or so years. Might as well do it now that: 1) You lost games already and 2) You still have a favorable previous CBA to compare against.
If they take this sandwich right now, 6 years from now the negotiations will only go down from this ty CBA, and you'll still be missing paychecks. Plus the owners will laugh in your face again seeing you don't have the balls to really get them agitated.
I agree. The deal is awful and they have something in their pocket that could help.
It might not help at all when all is said and done, but at least making a stand you show them you're not going to get intimidated with BS like "You haven't felt enough pain yet".
I should have emphasized could. Its a terrible option, but its the only real chance they have if the owners won't negotiate.
If the players don't take the deal, they are extremely stubborn. It's lucid that this offer is literally the most reasonable thing on the table, and that's even going against most of the owners.
Seems like a reverse psychology tactic by the owners. Makes it seem like they are really serious about offering that bull 47%. The bees(players) buzzing around in a frenzy. Owners have them on the brink of a decision with this tactic, IMHO. I think a deal happens soon if not by the deadline then shortly after(week).
How you figure that?
Players take this offer and they've been basically raped without lube. Very likely the worst CBA ever for players in the history of the league.
I think wednesday goes without a deal. I could be wrong. I don't think players are buying the ultimatum line, and I'd be willing to bet Stern will offer 50% after wednesday again.
I agree that Stern will offer 50% again. I was going to include in my post the offer 47% and make the player work just to get it back to 50%. They'll feel like they earned something and the owners will throw in a few system compromises to seal the deal.
The problem is that players aren't taking the 50% offer along with a system with that includes a virtual hard cap. Owners have been twisting that stuff over and over, but they're still offering basically the same thing. When they 'budged' on the amount of increases on the lux tax, they were adamant to exclude tax payers from sign and trade.
They can have 50 million meetings and talk about bands and whatever, but until the owners either move seriously past 50% no questions asked or drop that capping, I don't think we're going to have a season. It's been like this for months now. We're still circling over the same old issues.
Just the impression I get.
following this is seriously bad for my health. a midnight update from worjahiwski. they are gonna try and tweak system issues to seal the deal. i imagine if they tweak certain system issues aka the sign and trade, maybe not the trade and extend for tax payers the players would be willing to do 50 50. i cant take this anyomre.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._bryant_110711
So it's come to this....owners positioning that they don't want the union to take the deal so they can go hardline, players positioning that they don't want to union to take the deal so they can decertify. What a cluster .
This season needs to begin already...
I agree withe the bolded Part, but it's not 7/12 seasons. It's 5/12. 1999, 03, 04, 05 and 07.
just a question.
when do we talk about a big market or small market team?
sure NY is a big market and Salt Lake City a small one.
but is for example Detroit a small market? Detroit is ranked #12 in Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Boston would be #10 on that list. (I always thought Bostons is called a big market)
that's a good question.
I think it is not only market size but owner wealth and willingness to spend.
I don't think Detroit is a small market. It's not big, but far from small.
Detroit s metro area is over 4 million San Antonio's is half that.
Principle owner- Detroit's owner during the last finals appearance was worth 3.5 Billion. SA owner Holt net worth 0.08 billion.
Cleveland is a great example- through the draft they where able to land a great talent. Great enough to get a team to the finals. However, they where not able to hold on to him.
When you look at the NBA champions since the merger, the NBA champs clearly outside the top 10 metro areas- Portland, Seattle and San Antonio.
By 2008 it was becoming clear that the Spurs where going to have a tough time competing. Teams with money could sign mediocre players to large salaries then use them when expiring to acquire big name players from teams that could not afford to keep or surround with additional players (see Boston, LA).
Since the Spurs won in 2007, every champ has been substantially over the luxury tax.
Let me ask you this: say you personally worked for a company coming off one of their most prosperous years ever. Your boss comes to you and says: "the business model isnt great, even though we have offers to be purchased for an all time high and I can't let you look at the books either. Because of this I want you to take a massive pay cut while at the same time having more strenuous working conditions to cover any losses we might have had in the past to guarentee we are profitable. I will be getting a raise however because of this. If you don't accept this deal now, you will get a worse offer or fired soon. "
Tell me, if you don't take that deal are you stubborn?
Also, it's not going against the owners IMO. They are already celebrating. This is just them being completely greedy.
You're right. I was counting teams over seasons though. Out of those 5 seasons, two small market teams made it twice to the finals (Spurs vs Cavs, Spurs vs Pistons).
Thanks for pointing that out. You're right if you're counting seasons it's 5/12 (which BTW I don't think it's a small number either).
I agree it's a good question. I think when you look at professional sports, you can't just look at population, but also overall wealth. Teams I consider big market, no questions asked, are: Knicks, Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Chicago, Miami, Orlando, Dallas, Houston. (I might've missed one or two here, help me out) IMO, those teams should've turned a profit even with the old CBA. If they didn't you need to start looking at management. Clippers have a terrible ownership. Dallas spent his luxury way to a le. Miami bet the farm. Nets are in transition to an even bigger market.
Even then, that's only 1/3 of the league in definite big markets, which is why I don't know that you could even really implement a NFL revenue-sharing model. I think the league expanded too much, and it's suffering because of it.
And that's why I also think the talks about contraction should've been more prominent. Some of the current very small market franchises are not going to make it without some serious cash influx from the big markets, and no amount of screwing the players over is going to stop that.
Good post. Sometimes the discussions center on big market vs small market, without a gray area in-between, and I just can't call Detroit (or Boston) a big market comparable to NY or LA. That said, I do think they are clearly a step above Charlotte or Minnesota.
I understand that, I even said something similar to that earlier in this thread. But in the end, this joust and parry act is between billionaires and multi-millionaires. The pay cut would be significant, but in the end, they're still receiving a disgusting amount of money for doing what they love, for playing a game. They're receiving an amount of money that 90% of people, couldn't even dream of getting in the short amount of time they receive it.
As long as the players don't take the deal, there are alot of people out of a job, like the arena workers, and even bars can be desolate, which sucks for me because I work in one that isn't that popular yet. I feel for the players, but I just think this measuring contest needs to end.
I agree, but the owners are the only ones acting the fool. The players aren't being hard asses at all. They are making drastic concessions and pleading to negotiate.
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