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    Shut up scrub, and accept it.....
    LOL is he even gonna be in the NBA next year?

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    Players can file for decertification with the NLRB and it would take about 45 days to get that approved or denied. During that time, union and league can still negotiate.

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    Shut up scrub, and accept it.....
    lol

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    the agents. They don't care about the season, the owners, or the players concerns. All they care about is how it will affect their stuffed bank accounts, and they'll damn the season to get as much as they can out of this deal.

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    the agents. They don't care about the season, the owners, or the players concerns. All they care about is how it will affect their stuffed bank accounts, and they'll damn the season to get as much as they can out of this deal.
    One thing for sure is the players need to do what is best for them and pay no mind to the agents. This may be about as good an offer as they are going to get from the NBA and they need to decide if they should play ball or walk away. Hardliners from both sides are not going to win the day in all probability. Everyone is being a poker player at this point, so who knows how they'll play it. Hunter sounded about as close to being near the end of all this as we could expect. Fisher's not jumping for joy, but he's going to the players with the revisions.
    Also wondering if there is anybody, other than myself, that is ready to kill the "and" dude for the Coke Zero ads!!!!???

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    So if 16 players vote that they approve of this deal, then the lockout is over pretty much.

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    So if 16 players vote that they approve of this deal, then the lockout is over pretty much.
    I don't think that's correct. IIRC, once a deal is put to a vote, every player can vote yes, no or abstain.

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    ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
    Ominous warning from source on players' side expecting NBA offer to be rejected: "Nothing was addressed. It's same offer as it was before."
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    Marc Berman of the New York Post reports that Billy Hunter told him that there was very little difference in the new deal.



    Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1dNOaUlFp

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    The new offer from the owners to the players includes a new $2.5 million exception.

    It also will raise the minimum payroll for teams from its current level of 75% of the cap to 85%, according to Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix.

    Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1dNOnWDXv

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    It's unfair for the players, but if they decertify, they are complete morons.

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    Source says league conceded on sign-and-trades for taxpayers. That's a big one for the union to have.

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    Goddamn it's gonna be a long 5 days.

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    Seems like the league has given a lot of the system areas to the players. Obviously the economics haven't changed but I thought that was widely known. This offer looks quite different then the last one from what I've seen so far.

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    Source says league conceded on sign-and-trades for taxpayers. That's a big one for the union to have.
    This was the one I was wondering about....might be the most important system issue for the union.

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    i thought agents still get paid no matter what cir stances...

    same with billy hunters annual salary of 2.5m....

    lol the players...

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    i thought agents still get paid no matter what cir stances...

    same with billy hunters annual salary of 2.5m....

    lol the players...
    I assumed the agents make a percentage of whatever deal they get for their players. Thus is if there is less money on the table for the players, there is less money on the table for the agents.

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    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    Who knows where players heads will be by Monday, but there's a lot of frustration and anger with union leadership tonight.
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    Another veteran role player texts: "How quickly does Billy (Hunter) get fired after we sign this bull----?"
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    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    Player rep (cont.): "We told them not to go past 53 percent. They did. We told them we're not taking this deal. Why waste our time?"
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    NBPA player rep on union leadership: "Why do they keep scrambling us to New York for these meetings when they never listen to us?"
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    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    As one Eastern Conference executive just texted about 72 game sked: "Instead of (the players) missing two checks, they will only miss one."
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    I agree that I don't see Hunter walking away, even though a "disclaimer of interest" would be a much better than decertification if the players want to go that route at this point. They wouldn't need the 50% votes, no waiting for 45 days since no NLRB ruling would be necessary and they could file a anti-trust lawsuits as soon as Hunter extend the letter to Stern.

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    my guess is there arent enough hard line decertification guys to block a ratification of the deal or agreeing to it but there are enough to talk people out of the deal. they are gonna do the same thing as last time. meet with everyone and break it all down. players have complained they get more info from the media than they do from their leadership. the owners did very little but i think its enough. the players are getting raped. they should stop struggling the nba has already penetrated.

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    my guess is there arent enough hard line decertification guys to block a ratification of the deal or agreeing to it but there are enough to talk people out of the deal. they are gonna do the same thing as last time. meet with everyone and break it all down. players have complained they get more info from the media than they do from their leadership. the owners did very little but i think its enough. the players are getting raped. they should stop struggling the nba has already penetrated.
    Exactly. We have a bunch of people here sympathizing for the players, but the fact of the matter is, the NBPA never had a fighting chance. There's literally nothing they can do that would help themselves at this point, other than accept the huge paycut and continue getting paid an absurd amount of money just to be famous and beloved, and play ball.

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    I don't see players voting no to the new CBA. The pressure of not being paid and looking like the bad guys among fans will push the to accept the deal even if they hate it.

    NBA season will likely start on December 15th.

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    I don't see players voting no to the new CBA. The pressure of not being paid and looking like the bad guys among fans will push the to accept the deal even if they hate it.

    NBA season will likely start on December 15th.

    god lets hope so!! well no soon its do or die time

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    I don't see players voting no to the new CBA. The pressure of not being paid and looking like the bad guys among fans will push the to accept the deal even if they hate it.

    NBA season will likely start on December 15th.
    considering the amount of frustration I perceived during the press I'm not so optimist, I don't see the players signing this stuff monday tbh.

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    Do they really have to torture us by making us wait until next week? Where's the sense of urgency?

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