The players are so unbelievably screwed if they decertify. Their contracts become void, therefore they have no case in an anti-trust lawsuit. Then the owners can literally do whatever the they want, and can essentially "fire" the players because they are no longer a union (basically as if they were just an every day worker). If the players honestly think the league is going to back down from their offer they are out of their minds. David Stern himself is a lawyer, a very very good one, and I can imagine they have an insane amount of the best lawyers at their disposal. The players can't win this one, might as well stop the bleeding.
There is some serious poker playing going on here. That's what I'm wondering, if Hunter and Fisher think Stern is bluffing with his 'we are finished negotiating' and 'it's only getting worse from here.' He does seem like he's desperate to push this through. Is it because he knows it's now or never, or perhaps these owners want the season more than they've let on.
AFAIK, the whole void-contract story is just another treat/wishful thinking from Stern. There's a long and rich history of labor cases, including union decertification, in this country and voiding contracts never happened before.
Not to mention that the owners would be under severe risk, because they would need to put all their chips on that claim and if it doesn't pan out, they would be on the hook for a lot of dough.
Let's be frank here. If decertification would be such a bad strategy, an union like the NFLPA would've never gone that way. It's not a sure fire strategy either, but not a horrible option if you're getting butt ed anyways.
Well, this is probably the third or fourth 'deadline' or 'take it or leave it' the league throws out there. But what's the league going to do? Worsen the offer? Cancel the season? Then what?
As long as the union exists, they have to sit down and negotiate. There's only one exit to the lockout, and it's at the negotiating table.
Latest from Woj: Latest offer a PR stunt?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...a_labor_111411
How can a judge force Stern, his minions, and the owners to give the players a better deal? I just don't get how going to court is going to force the owners and Stern to give the players a good deal.
Under the previous CBA some stupid owners where giving 20M$/year contract to Lewis/Arenas/Johnson.
If a judge says the salary cap is illegal, what make you think no owner would propose similar contract (if not bigger)?
Not to mention that owners like MIA would probably outright rebel and maybe even start their own league if the Heatles were to be broken up. They can't just void some of the contracts, and there are owners who would NOT sit still for this when they have sat still for everything so far.
Holt should actually fight this tooth and nail, because when the dust settles, he's going to be one of the owners black balled by the big agents. If all contracts get voided, he's not going to have a team in any real sense.
The judge would actually write the new CBA, and the players are banking that he will not drag them down from 57% to 50% and essentially ins ute a hard cap. He would also have the power to subpoena those other figures that the owners don't want to show the players, like ancilliary income from related non-BRI sources.
How many of those cases involved multi-year, guaranteed contracts?
Perhaps the league would be able to void all salaries beyond 2011-2012?
doesn't mean much yet, but it's a beginning. first time in months that the words "we accept" was used.
They can still vote to approve the deal during the decert process, IIRC. In which case, approving the deal doesn't mean a whole lot.
He didnt actually say "we accept" lol.
oh well.
interesting: Kobe went to NY. he isn't a player representative, but he is the most famous from the group that want to accept the deal. I can see Fisher call his best pal Kobe for some guarding.
(which could mean that Fisher wants to accept the deal)
Things could look quite different in the NBA if this is accepted. I want them to play, but understand and support if they reject.
For the first 2 years things would actually look almost the same, the heavy changes dont kick in until year 3.
My sentiments exactly. I'm sure it's a tough call......
Do the players get paid per game, so that each game missed is 1/82 of their salary, or by time? I've heard that players usually get 12 checks: 2 each month from November to April, so they'll miss their first check tomorrow, 1/12 of their salary if it's done by time.
Either way, it's no wonder Kobe wants to play. His salary is one of the highest in the league, so he's losing the most.
^ wtf at that pic lol
Players are screwed. They've been passive during the whole negotiation process and are now where owners wanted them to be.
meeting over. answer coming soon
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