Well, I disagree that the NFL owners were more interested in having a season than the NBA. I actually think the union moving to decertify quickly pointed more towards the union having such interest.
Ultimately, it wasn't the injunction (something the NBAPA lawyers are NOT seeking) what forced the NFL owners to negotiate, but the real treat of a judge establishing what the settlement terms would be if the parties didn't sit down and negotiate.
And ultimately, the end game in this case is no different. What it's starting to look like the legal strategy here for the union is a claim under "group boycott", which is penalized under anti-trust laws and carries treble damages (treble damages meaning it that any damages awarded get multiplied by 3).
The league will try to claim and prove that the union always wanted to decertify, but really, these 4 months of negotiating where the union kept giving concessions make it difficult to believe, and worst of all, if they don't get that ruling, they're going to be in a very, very weak position (due to the claims above).
I would adventure a settlement will shortly follow after that decision, whichever way it goes.
Who would he call?Besides the other point I made about Stern being a hypocrite by saying "we were so close and they blow it up", why is he acting like they still cannot negotiate? If he was serious about negotiating and them being close there is absolutely nothing stopping him from calling.
He can call Hunter. Hunter isn't the union president anymore, but he is the trade association president. He technically wouldn't be negotiating exclusively, but he's the trade representative of the players that would be filing the lawsuits.
Once the lawsuits are filed though, he would need to negotiate through the lawyers for the players presenting the suit, IIRC.
Hunter. From my understanding (correct me if I am wrong) with the disclaimer vs decertification, Hunter can still be involved.
Also, with this move, are they not trying to force the owners to negotiate(which is part of their hopes) so someone has to be available, no?
Then why dissolve the union at all?
Because it allows them to file suit.
OK. With lawsuits, I'm going to say contact is unlikely.
Maybe, but from my understanding (again correct me if I am wrong) that part of this process is to force owners to the negotiating table before it gets dragged into long drawn out litigation.
I believe you, but I could see the owners' actually wanting to go to court.
I agree, I think they have planned this all out. I'm just saying that it's funny to me that Stern says all of this hypocritical stuff and no one (media) calls him on it when speaking with him.
Phonecall didn't happen. If it was going to happen it should've happened already. Moot point now.
Why do people keep saying that they believe the owners planned this all along?
That is just not true, the sole reason for Stern not making a 3am drunk phone call
to Hunter, is an issue of straight pride now. The players filed suit, they didn't have
a vote, they just put their hands in the air, and lifted their middle fingers.
There was no premeditated plans, it is just a bunch of greedy businessmen, negotiating
with a bunch of money hungry players, this is what happens when children don't get
their way, they throw a hissy fit.
I really don't think it's in the players favor if the judge recognizes this 'part of the process' as a simple negotiating tactic to force the owners. Which it is, of course. Which the judge WILL recognize. Which the players know. They don't actually want it to go to court IMO
Quotes from Boies in this piece:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...ug=ap-nbalabor
It's hard to believe that anyone can say this with a straight face.“We haven’t seen Mr. Boies’ complaint yet, but it’s a shame that the players have chosen to litigate instead of negotiate,” NBA spokesman Tim Frank said in a statement.
And
America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.
Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.
Better deal, possibly, great deal, no way in ...A great deal at this point for the players is getting the BRI back to 52%.
seems like some players have filed a anti-trust lawsuit....lol why is kawhi leonard in it? his not officially a nba player?
Kawhi is being enjoined from playing basketball like any other player. In addition, he's being kept from playing in the d-league by being a draftee last year. Dumb move by the owners.
this lock out hurts alot of players who are earning anything below MLE...
splitter
I think with what players' lawyer is saying is 100% truth: “If you’re in a poker game, and you run a bluff, and the bluff works, you’re a hero. If someone calls your bluff, you lose. I think the owners overplayed their hand,”
The whole talk about owners being ready to lose a season is just a bluff. Owners aren't in good situation right now and they didn't want to see it ending with a trial. They are losing money day after day and they have no guarantee at all that the new system will be better than the previous one. A judge can very well decide that the NBA will resume with the previous CBA or without a CBA to ensure a free market system.
See this Yavo
In my mind but maybe I'm wrong players situation is much worse than the owners. Owners were prepared to that not sure the players were.
You are saying they are loosing money but are they really ? Is it that significant compared to players ? I don't know exactly what are their contractual obligations right now but they are not paying anymore salaries and if the reports are accurate a lot of them were loosing money anyway.
So I'm not sure they are not ready to loose an entire season tbh.
Somebody knows what are their remaining financial obligations right now ?
Arenas ? Franchise staff ?
BTW what is the situation for the coaches ? Is Pop not receiving anymore salary right now ?
If the season is lost, the owners have to pay back the league's TV money. That's not chump change.
I agree. This is a disaster for the owners. Maybe it comes out in their favor after a long time in the courts, but there was no reason for this to ever get to this point. The owners kept pushing for bad deals, thinking the players would bite because there were no alternatives. Stern looks pretty weak right now.
Indeed:::"the league is in the middle of a eight-year, $7.44 billion television contract with ABC/ESPN"
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