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It's amazing how they're all for business and anti-government until the latter starts busting heads. Then, they can do no wrong!
Not really. Open sadism and blind apologies for force are typical signifiers of conservative bona fides, sadly.
It's amazing how they're all for business and anti-government until the latter starts busting heads. Then, they can do no wrong!
The scourge of society. 84 year old women pose a serious threat to police and must be pepper sprayed to prevent them from harming anyone.
She was getting oldness all over everyone.
The scourge of society. 84 year old women pose a serious threat to police and must be pepper sprayed to prevent them from harming anyone.
She shouldn't have been there, etc.
Dumbasses. They let OWS all over that park for two months. OWS had plenty of time for their "free expression". They told OWS it was time to leave and what would happen if they didn't leave. They didn't leave and it happened.
Yeah, I have NO sympathy for them.
There isn't an expiration date on free expression. That's kinda what makes it, you know, free.
They are still completely free to express their angst. They just can't camp overnight. They can always call themselves VWS (visiting wall street)
No one is terribly interested in your sadistic ramblings.
They're barred from entering the park. If they crowd around the streets, the police can remove them for obstructing traffic.
One of the ways you silence a message is by restricting the mediums through which it can be expressed.
I disagree with a bunch of the OWS movement. But even I recognize that a) they have a right to express their political views and b) NYPD, in contravention of a court order is illegally restricting that expression.
Just a FYI, the Supreme Court of New York is the trial court - much like a Texas District or County Court. It isn't New York's intermediate appellate court. That's called the Appellate Division. You're right that the highest NY court is called the Court of Appeals.
Why not just shoot them all in the head with a glock and be done with the problem, right CC? Why don't you just say what you're thinking instead of pussyfooting around it?
lol federal judge
poor babies. No way to express themselves. *sigh*
Really? You're going to pooh-pooh the freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble? Are you seriously just dismissing that?
Peaceful, it is not.
You really should get your facts straight. Not letting them pitch tents or use generators is not infringing on their right of free speech.
Reduce unemployment while simultaneously lessening our nation's carbon footprint? Sounds like a win-win idea!
Like I said, get your facts straight. They are not barred from using the park. They are barred from camping there.
This is absolutely correct.
he tents are gone but the protest lives on.
Occupy Wall Street demonstrators vowed to return in force to Zuccotti Park Wednesday and regroup their fractured movement as they faced the first full day since their eviction from Zuccotti Park.
A handful of campaigners headed to a Department of Sanitation depot on the upper West Side at 8 a.m. in an attempt to reclaim their belongings seized during the overnight police raid.
Others woke from spending the night at a nearby church, relieved to have had a roof over their heads, and determined to carry on their fight for greater social justice and financial reform.
“Right now we’re pretty scattered, but there are a lot of people thinking of the long-term plan,” said Mike Esperson, 22, from Queens, who has campaigned for Occupy Wall Street since week one.
“I think it’s definitely going to change the game plan ... but it’s not going to go away.”
Members of the Occupy Wall Street drumming circle and “People’s Library” were among the first to arrive at the city facility on W. 56th St. between 11th and 12th Aves. to ask for their possessions back.
They entered the building to find a chaotic mass of confiscated items separated into three piles: one for shoes, clothes and sleeping bags; another for tarps and tents; and a third for miscellaneous items.
A big storage bin near a table at the front entrance was also filled with wallets and a handful of passports, one observer said.
“I’m here to pick up our books,” said librarian Betsy in.
“We had between 4,000 and 5,000 books and have no idea how many are actually upstairs.”
As she entered the depot, she held a catalog in her hands that logged the le of every book donated to the movement. She exited with a cart load of literature.
When asked if all the les were there she curtly replied: “Not by a long shot.”
Musicians from Occupy Wall Street’s drumming circle “Pulse” also arrived to pick up what they claimed were $3,500 worth of instruments.
Another man came to pick up his bicycle generator equipment, which had been installed to give power to Zuccotti Park after the NYPD and FDNY seized the movement’s generators two weeks ago.
“I’m really hoping that our bikes, our bike generators, our batteries and our tools will be up there,” said mechanical engineer Patrick Pasco, 24.
“If so it’s gonna be tricky getting everything out of here because they’re not allowing vehicles here.”
The Sanitation Department said the depot will be open from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. until Friday, and anyone collecting items must fill out a claim form and show valid photo ID.
The NYPD allowed the jubilant protesters back into the park shortly before 6 p.m. Tuesday, but after celebratory scenes and a boisterous general assembly meeting, only a few dozen people remained overnight.
Police confiscated blankets, pillows and a backpack from a small number of people who tried to smuggle them into the plaza, and woke up anyone who attempted to sleep on the marble benches.
Judson Memorial Church near Washington Square Park turned itself into a shelter Tuesday night, and took in about 50 people.
However, it said this was only a temporary measure for the next three nights.
“I’m just happy I got some sleep,” said Requiem King, 26, from Boston.
“At least it was somewhere warm and dry where we could sleep.”
Dozens of faith leaders plans to join the demonstrators for a candlelight vigil at Judson Memorial Church at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday to show their solidarity with Occupy Wall Street and demand Mayor Bloomberg allow them to re-establish their camp.
It is likely to carry little sway given that Justice Michael Stallman upheld the city’s argument that the group had no First Amendment right to camp in the park, despite agreeing they were allowed to protest there.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1dtttQL63
And you shouldn't be hyperbolic. The underlined portion pretty clearly says its ok for OWS to be booted out of the park.
They booted them out, cleared up the tent city, powerwashed the out of the park and then let them back in.
hyperbolic?
Pot, meet Kettle.
In places which, by long tradition or by government fiat, have been devoted to assembly and debate, the rights of the State to limit expressive activity are sharply cir scribed. At one end of the spectrum are streets and parks, which
"have immemorially been held in trust for the use of the public and, time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions."
Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 307 U. S. 515 (1939). In these quintessential public forums, the government may not prohibit all communicative activity. For the State to enforce a content-based exclusion, it must show that its regulation is necessary to serve a compelling state interest and that it is narrowly drawn to achieve that end. Carey v. Brown, 447 U. S. 455, 447 U. S. 461 (1980). The State may also enforce regulations of the time, place, and manner of expression which are content-neutral, are narrowly tailored to serve a significant government interest, and leave open ample alternative channels of communication. United States Postal Service v. Council of Greenburgh Civic Assns., 453 U. S. 114, 453 U. S. 132 (1981); Consolidated Edison Co. v. Public Service Comm'n, 447 U. S. 530, 447 U. S. 535-536 (1980); Grayned v. City of Rockford, supra, at 408 U. S. 115; Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U. S. 296 (1940); Schneider v. State, 308 U. S. 147 (1939).
PERRY EDUC. ASS'N V. PERRY EDUCATORS' ASS'N, 460 U. S. 37 (1983)
The state would have to show that the tent/tarp/overnight camping restriction is a) narrowly tailored to serve the government's interest and b) leaves open some alternative channel of commmunication.
How's that quote not suggesting complete removal of OWS from the park is legitimate?
You've since changed your argument to a position that I agree with. But your initial claim was hyperbolic.
They had to get them out to clean it up. They wouldn't leave so they had to remove them by force. They let them right back in after they cleaned the park up and restored sanitary conditions. What part of that don't you understand? Why are you determined to argue such a stupid point that is totally irrelevant?
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