The only thing I didn't particularly like about the actual lawsuit is the lack of references to precedent. That said, it could just be byproduct of the lawsuit being put together hastily. It can always be amended.
I thought that Stern and his lawyers had to talk to the players' lawyers since the union filed their disclaimer. If Stern is waiting for Hunter to call him it's going to be a long wait if Hunter can no longer legally speak for the players. Wished they'd just try to settle their existing differences with the lawyers and get back to making a new CBA.
You know what the real irony is? The owners' last proposal actually made a ton of sense. Read Howard Beck's breakdown of what it would have looked like, potentially, and try to find ONE thing that isn't logical. Contracts should be shorter so fans aren't getting constantly turned off by that relentlessly overpaid mediocrity. The gap between big market teams and small market teams should be smaller. A team like Cleveland should have a more favorable chance to keep its best player. A star like Carmelo shouldn't be able to force a trade and get rewarded with a mammoth extension. The mid-level exception should be tempered — it spawned too many dumb contracts and made it harder for teams to improve. What's wrong with coming up with a smarter model in which the right money goes to the right people? That's a bad thing?
As my aforementioned pro sports friend says, "In every part of life there are systems that protect people from doing things that will ultimately hurt themselves — its why banks don't charge $30/month for debit card usage; it's not like they don't want to, and it's not like some people wouldn't pay for it. Once you have the BRI split then EVERYONE should be working towards a better system. The NFL got to the dollars, got to the cap, then tried to make it so the rookie pool made more sense. This is a system issue that benefitted everyone. It doesn't make sense for Sam Bradford to make more than Drew Brees, right? The key with any system issue is trust — you tell the NBPA that the money WILL be in the system no matter what — don't they want it to go to guys like Wade or Dirk or Monta Ellis (early in his career) instead of mediocre veterans like Darko or Cardinal? This is where the agents have too much power — some of the powerful ones benefit from certain system structures even if the overall cash doesn't change — they just need to be ignored, and the players need to really trust that the system change won't cost them dollars in the aggregate."
i think some writer pointed this out and said silver's lawyer spidey sense went up and commented and said for this negotiation aka for now, we have our counter offer of 47. stern has his ass covered.
as for stern willing to negotiate. hunter wont be eager to talk when the last deal was bad now when he talks to stern he is gonna say ok 47 BRI lets go. the players went all in on the courts. the owners are not gonna give, they are gonna just sit it out.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...ham/51282176/1
a good Q&A by the guy who used to have Billy Hunter's job.
If that is the standard by which it is judged. The lockout itself is easy to demonstrate harm as they are not getting paid at all. There is no CBA and unilateral salary restrictions have no chance in of flying if its played out.
The NBA will not make the case that they were losing money because that would open them up for accounting and that just isn't going to happen anyway.
Interesting...so if the NBA won' make the case of money lost in order to keep their bank accounts closed to the courts, then what is their argument for having a lockout?...system issues?
They said the system is broke. Thats what they are trying to fix and cover there losses.
Players want to keep current system, but offered to help cover costs.
I would say this: Owners should have to honor existing contracts. If they want to waive a player when it's contractually legal to do so, so be it.
What's the point of a contract if it can just be dismissed?
No because there are players that take advantage of the contract and stop working hard once they get it. It's pathetic that some of these players become busts after a big contract.
Sources: NBA Optimistic About Christmas Start To Season
Two people who have been briefed on the NBA's strategy said there remains "optimism" that a deal with the players can be struck in time to start the season no later than Christmas. And the league and players may already have started the process of returning to negotiations.
The NBA is said to be disinterested in starting the 2011-12 season after Christmas. Since it will take 30 days from an agreement in principle before the first regular season game can be played, formal discussions between the two sides would need to be recommenced soon.
"I don't know that there's an appe e for a 50-game season," said a person familiar with the league's thinking.
One source said that there have been back-channel communications between the two sides since the union's disclaimer of interest, but a top member of the players' legal team said that no attorney representing the NBA has yet to reach out.
Adam Silver did not return a call seeking comment.
Via CBS Sports
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...tart_To_Season
Adrian Wornjahowski says they dont plan on meeting befoer thanksgiving or likely after. why is that bad. need a month before a season can begin. they cant hammer out a deal dealing with thanksgiving, themselves being s, and time. if they lose the christamas games thats lots of tv revenue the owners might just say the with it lose it all and ask for the world.
I'll believe when I see it. I'd love for it to happen and see the Mavs and Heat play on Christmas but I'd say it's 50/50 that the season will be lost or we will see another ty 40 to 50 game season.
Tbh, any basketball would be a miracle. Even 50 games can hold me until next season, wouldn't matter who won the asterisk, just want to see some basketball.
Does anyone believe this garbage about the NBA not wanting a 50 game season if that's what it comes to? They'll take what they can get if it makes them money. ROFL at the idea that a half season could be anywhere near as bad for the league's image as a missed season.
They have about one week to save Christmas games. If players and owners are still fine with a 50/50 BRI split, reaching an agreement shouldn't be too complicated.
Frankly I was counting on it. I figured if it got past the Dec 1st paycheck and the players hadn't gotten scared & rolled over I was home free.
The owners have provided the same financials that the IRS requires. If it is good enough for those vamps it should be good enough for the rest of the "blood sucking lawyers".
Not exactly DB. There is a huge difference in what is "acceptable" accounting for the IRS and what should be actually looked at with logic. That was one of the big issues. At first the owners claimed 300 million in losses before letting the players look at the books. They players even before looking disputed that number saying that while an acceptable accounting practice, the owners were allocating certain line items as losses that should not be included. When they looked this was confirmed, and the actual operating losses were more like 100 million.
So wait is there a legit chance there will be a season starting at Christmas? I've heard so much throughout all this I don't know who to believe...
I agree with you. Surely there is a compromise that can be hammered out on the system issues. You have to believe, with so much at stake, they have given a lot of thought to this.
Bruno has been overly optimistic IMO. While it is logical what he says, they have not been operating logically. If that were the case we'd have ball right now. I highly doubt we have ball this season from what I've seen and read. Hope I'm wrong. I'm completely fine w a 50 game season
Yes, while I agree with Bruno that "it shouldn't be that complicated", I also know "they have been operating logically." To me it is utter insanity, and obscene in a world full of struggling workers, that they can't figure out how to divide 4 billion dollars. I have also appreciated your support for the players throughout this ordeal, but I'm not buying any one's crocodile tears for the arena workers, parking attendants, and the other thousands of people who are getting hurt. Every one loses in this game of the rich versus the richer. If they don't find a way to a partial season the damage will be irreparable.
I wouldn't buy tickets to a Christmas game to put in anyone's stocking. Just sayin...
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