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In order for the players to "win" at this point the tax hit would have to go back to 1 to 1. Even a 2-1 hit would provide the structure change the owners are pursuing.
I think the owners had no idea the stones that the players had and showed by disbanding and taking it to court. They thought they had an easy mark in the NBPA, and that turned out not to be the case. I think there was a group of owners "in the middle" that was willing to go with the hard liners and take it to the edge, but when faced with actually dumping the season, they'll fold their hand and give some concessions, siding with the big market teams. The owners do not want this to actually go to court, because they could lose triple damages. They need to give on the system issues, make it a shorter 5 year CBA, and revisit it when the new TV deal is in place.
In order for the players to "win" at this point the tax hit would have to go back to 1 to 1. Even a 2-1 hit would provide the structure change the owners are pursuing.
It's not about either side "winning", it's about getting an agreement that both sides find falls short of what they want, but that gets basketball going. Trying to "win" is what got us to where we are right now.
BTW, the players can do just fine with 2/1, but the Lakers won't be able to buy the players you want.
The chances of 1 to 1 happening are about 1 to 1,000,000. The players seemingly have already agreed to 1 to 1.5 for the first 5 million and then a progressive upswing for every dollar above that. I doubt the owners will come off that too much....but ya never know. Buss will have to cut back on his visits to the Chicken Ranch and settle for some KFC..
2/1 casts an immediate chilling effect upon player movement. Everybody knows it:::the players are too chicken to actually say it (like the owners don't realize it)
, 1/1 upon gross examination goes against every business tenet. It's extraordinary.
2/1 is doomsday. That Chuck is (winning) for the owners, and losing for the players. You & Media feeling good about it is fine for "you" and even the rest of "me" because we have no stake in it aside from me(even Lakaluva can't see it)/"the Lakers won't be able to buy the players you (I) want."
So yes, I'm selfish, but, my selfishness serves the players a lot more than it will serve me.
And you know what else?
They know it.
There is nothing in b&w that supports your assertion.
Do I smell a rat there as you imply? Sadly, yes. Its just extremely mother ing difficult for me to fathom & believe the playes have taken a fit over the finer points of the MLE. And if that is what their hangup is:::
nice.
I don't give two &^it's about these greedoids.
Fisher to rejoin NBA’s labor talks
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl..._resume_112311
One thing I have to give you, this indeed is about the luxury tax above all else, and always has been. While there is "nothing in b&w that supports" my "assertion", there will be before another game of NBA basketball is played. It's always been a battle between the have and have-not owners with the players paying the tab inevitably. The only person or team that will be hurt more than Buss' Lakers will be Cuban's Mavs.There is nothing in b&w that supports your assertion.
Do I smell a rat there as you imply? Sadly, yes. Its just extremely mother ing difficult for me to fathom & believe the playes have taken a fit over the finer points of the MLE. And if that is what their hangup is:::
LOL @ Woj killing Fisher for helping to strengthen the NBA's case that the an rust suit was a negotiating tactic. It'll be hilarious is that's Stern's only intent.
At least Kessler looks to be temporarily out of the picture... that's a good start to reach an agreement.
Yep.
And the players will be hobbled monetarily ever more. A low cap will be set and the money will be centralized. The owners will no longer have to worry about slitting each other's throats jogging after mediocre talent and humiliatingly overpaying that talent. It will be out of their hands. They'll be no lose money laying around like it is now:::that is a powerful vision for the players and their agents. The money is everywhere. The risk is ALL on the owner's side of the ledger. The player & agent have no worries, no risk. It's a slice of heaven. No more. Once it goes to 2-1 the tables turn 180 degrees. Buss is a company man. He'll get in line. He's a business man. He's had his beak in the trough for over 30 years unen bered. He'll have no problem cowtowing to Stern now. Cuban, in the backwash of his ringage may sign on as well. He's sated.
Only the nockers like me with their nose wide open will beat the wife, or, kick the dog when the players roll over.
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
As @KBergCBS just tweeted, Kessler will not be present today. However, I can say definitively that Quinn will be.
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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Also, to clarify once more: Jeff Kessler remains part of NBPA's team. But his role has been mitigated by hiring of Jim Quinn.
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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
3. All parties agreed IN ADVANCE that nothing in these talks would impact the litigation or be used to prove either side's case in court.
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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
2. These are technically "settlement" talks bc of players' lawsuit, but they are being treated as extension of previous negotiations.
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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
A few notes about the framework for today's NBA talks: 1. They are picking up where they left off Nov. 10: Same 50-50 proposal on table
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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Players' lawyer Jeff Kessler will not be present today, but remains "very much involved," per source. Jim Quinn taking prominent role.
3 hours ago
It'd be nice to think, but Stern (and whatever faction he leads) has such a clamp on all the owners. Take a look at that half a million he fined the Miami owner for a ing Tweet. Stern not only behaves like a petty dictator, he has the means in his hands to keep everyone in line.
I don't think he lets the owners budge.
Stern doesn't control the owners, he works for them. Right now, the majority want the hard line. If that changes, so will his tone. Why else would he be re-polling the owners to see if they would support giving on the system issues?
If the moderates flip, believe me, Stern flips with the majority of ownership.
seems like today is about exchanging proposals and sleep on it with more work either tomorrow and a deal or risk it to the last second on sunday
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As for progress in today's NBA talks, high-ranking league source says: "They literally just started talking about the actual deal points."
1 hour ago
Lucy is setting up again...
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
First good sign is DFish, Mo Evans at meeting. Union would have to re-form 4 deal to take place, so their presence may b sign of progress
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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Another good sign: NBA owners have Labor Relations Committee conference call scheduled for later tonite, sources say
They get it back to 1-1 I'll give up the bag forever more.
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Source close to talks gives vague update, says progress being made...
5 minutes ago
If they reach an agreement this week end and go with a 66 games season, it will be a crazy season.
66 games and the ASG in about 128 days will be a lot. A lot of quality depth will be crucial to survive the regular season. Having trading Hill for a rookie will hurt a lot Spurs in that kind of season.
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Labor Relations committee must approve any changes owners make in proposal to players
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seems like today is a counter offer day. stern will take it to his guys, see what he can bring back. if its good enough they will agree tomorrow. if not maybe they milk it to sunday and it becomes a last second thing
Players have still given up way too much in these negotiations. They should harden their stance. If owners aren't fine with the system players want then players should ask to get 51% or 52% of the BRI instead.
David Stern is by no means a neutral party, both in public and in dealing with the owners as a body.
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