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    They really didn't have talent IMO, unless you want to stretch the meaning of the word. But this isn't a Lebron argument.
    Hey DPG, i was defending him. Someone else brought him up saying Lebron wa sthe blame not Brown for their offensive struggles. I say it was both but Lebron HAd to do too much and not sure if that was Lebron's ego or Brown's offense. Based on what I see Lebron seems comfortable in the initiator role ...

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    LoL at people thinking Davis will mail it while playing fir the Lakers.

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    He's mailed it in everywhere he's been. Given, he's been in really crappy situations (Clips, CLE ), but he has to prove people wrong. There is also a case of physical ability and injury. He's been out of shape and injury prone. That isn't likely to go away, but for those moments where he is into it and healthy, he is still much, much better than Fish or Blake. You give him a big man like Bynum or Pau to play with and he will feed them all day.

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    LoL at people thinking Davis will mail it while playing fir the Lakers.
    He's much too leaky a vessel to put any manner of faith in. I'd rather go with Blake one more time than shift to Davis.

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    They really didn't have talent IMO, unless you want to stretch the meaning of the word. But this isn't a Lebron argument.
    Lebron made it the argument by throwing Brown under the bus for Lebron's obvious failings.

    : Give me more talent. Brown can't coach me

    Then s the bed in Miami next Wade and Bosh in the exact same manner. Brown has been vindicated until proven otherwise.

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    He's much too leaky a vessel to put any manner of faith in. I'd rather go with Blake one more time than shift to Davis.
    U can't teach not being scared

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    U can't teach not being scared
    Gasol was taught,,,temporarily.

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    LoL at people thinking Davis will mail it while playing fir the Lakers.
    Why not? He's allegedly more interested in his film career... at least that's why he signed with the Clips back in the day...

    You have to go back 4 years to remember his last good game...

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    : Give me more talent. Brown can't coach me
    Brown literally didn't coach him. There were some quotes from his dad Delonte not long ago about it.

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    Brown literally didn't coach him. There were some quotes from his dad Delonte not long ago about it.
    Other than "Give the ball to LeBron" Brown had no offensive strategy. He's an elite defensive coach but sub par offensive. Maybe having a better team will have a good affect on him.

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    The NBA is simple when you have a great post player. When you have two, shouldn't be an issue.

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    The NBA is simple when you have a great post player. When you have two, shouldn't be an issue.
    Shouldn't is the keyword here. There's a bunch of nice frontlines out there (Wolves, Grizzlies, Lakers, Thunder, Bulls, Boston until they traded Perk), yet the last champ had basically one jumpshooting big and one defensive big. And the other finalist had none to speak of. Having talent is the first step, but you need a coach to put it all together.

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    The NBA is simple when you have a great post player. When you have two, shouldn't be an issue.
    Getting them to go down onto the post (the actual post, not 10 ft up or to the side) is an ongoing problem. Not just in Los Angeles, but, league wide. It takes a lot of focus, dedication and drive to go down there persistently and just as much to counter & resist that process. It's that difference twixt the initiation of it & the counter to it which spells success or failure. Boston couldn't counter it once Perkins went away. Dallas called him everything but a Spaniard, hurt his feelings, he rolled over and went away.

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    Adding Malone and Payton to a 25yo Kobe, a 31yo Shaq, and PJ didn't get it done.

    Adding Davis and Lewis to the bunch that got swept by Dallas with Mike Brown in charge.....

    Good luck with that.

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    Ya, I don't think it is some amazing move, but it's low risk, moderate reward. I don't think LA, even after being swept, is all that far away. It will be an adjustment with a new coach and short training camp however. My worry if I were an LA fan is will Kobe do whats necessary to hide his decline and go to a big man focused offense.

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    Ya, I don't think it is some amazing move, but it's low risk, moderate reward. I don't think LA, even after being swept, is all that far away. It will be an adjustment with a new coach and short training camp however. My worry if I were an LA fan is will Kobe do whats necessary to hide his decline and go to a big man focused offense.
    Though I agree he does need to utilizre his bigs more ...I still don't see the decline that you speak of. Athletically Kobe has lost a step not even a Kobe fanboi can deny that, but his regular season (despite the lack of game winners) was statiscally better than the previous two. His PER and other numbers reflect that (IIRC).

    Problem is he wasone of the guys that wore down vs. the Mavs. In fact without his momentum changing dunk in (Game 2?) we were in danger of losing in round one.

    Not saying he isnt a lessor player than his MVP season and the one after, just saying if you take the last 2 seasons in to account ...last year he was more effective than the previous one.

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    Gasol was taught,,,temporarily.

    yeah but Gasol led teams before...( 0-12) plus he was the man in Euro league compe ion.

    Blake has got to go and rat now be don't have no more time for on the job training.

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    The Decline is inevitable. And it's not just Kobe. Obviously Duncan is way underway in that process, but I also wonder if Manu will have enough left this season.

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    The Decline is inevitable. And it's not just Kobe. Obviously Duncan is way underway in that process, but I also wonder if Manu will have enough left this season.

    @ underway

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    rofl, kool got his rocks all hard over Lewis and Davis.

    not quite....you guys with all your paranoid insanity make em even harder

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    It is. I'm not in denial like some Lakerfan about Baron Davis here

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    Rememba dat time when Steve Blake and Matt Barnes were going to take da Lakas to da top?

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    Rememba dat time when Steve Blake and Matt Barnes were going to take da Lakas to da top?

    find where I said that...and only then will I acknowledgment it... Barnes is tough and good player to have on the bench...His injury slowed him...Blake was a failure and I said that often and early...I'd even trade him for Jeffereson that's how much I despise him.

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    The Decline is inevitable. And it's not just Kobe. Obviously Duncan is way underway in that process, but I also wonder if Manu will have enough left this season.
    no doubt it's gonna happen it may be happening ...just saying I dont think his decline is in "steep" mode like say Duncan (no trolling just using an example) ... same with Manu he has lost a step, but his decline not as steep as Timmy's either ...

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    How can you use metrics like PER for Kobe's defense and not Tim's? If you say Tim is steep, then by that measure so is Kobe's by advanced metrics.

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