Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight Howard AND Chris Paul

[21_Blessings]

lol Kobe $30 million
lol Gasol $19 million
lol Bynum $16 million
lol Odom $8 million

lol thinking Buss will add Howard and pay $140 million luxury taxes
Keep workin those fantasy trades on 2k12, welcher...

lol $3 billion TV deal

NB

[21_Blessings]

lol thinking Buss will pay

Anschutz net worth ~$7billion

[Spur_Fanatic]

Ok, noob. It has nothing to do if Buss wants to pay luxury or not. Even if he wants to pay the entire TV deal as luxury, he still can't go over the cap.
No matter what. So Kool's pipedream is just that.

I don't want to generalize but, something wrong Lakers fans have no clue of the CBA?

[21_Blessings]

It has nothing to do if Buss wants to pay luxury or not. Even if he wants to pay the entire TV deal as luxury, he still can't go over the cap.

TV deal runs 20 years. Talk about financial security.

The Lakers can still do a sign/trade in the next year or so before the new luxury tax is implemented. Even if the Lakers sit put, they're looking at one year of heavy tax and then it's business (winning) as usual.

Ok, noob.

lol grey nmed

[Spur_Fanatic]

Lakers


So, CP3 and Howard have player options in 2012/2013.
Please, illustrate us how would the Lakers get them, lol.


Oh, and...

The new deal

[DPG21920]

TV deal runs 20 years. Talk about financial security.

The Lakers can still do a sign/trade in the next year or so before the new luxury tax is implemented. Even if the Lakers sit put, they're looking at one year of heavy tax and then it's business (winning) as usual.




lol grey nmed

They cannot do a sign and trade.

[Giuseppe]

^Deepy, panicking again on our behalf.

tee, hee.

[Killakobe81]

They cannot do a sign and trade.

That is not what I read elsewhere ...but who knows? I admit I know ball but CBA ...dat is boring. Right now Im working on a zone offense for my youth squad I dont have the energy to research if they could do a sign and trade but apparently DPG, Dunc and El are following this religously so I will defer to them.

But I just read that Knicks could possibly land Paul still so I dont see how the Lakers could not do something simliar if it is possible. But again I skimmed through the draft (outline) of the CBA but did not bother to digest most of it ...

It is what it is. This is a star league and if the Lakers don't get one relatively soon there will be lean years for a while ...new CBA or Not ...

I dont even care if we cant "stack" our team just need a true superstar and you have to get smart and lucky on some draft picks.

[DMC]

That is not what I read elsewhere ...but who knows? I admit I know ball but CBA ...dat is boring. Right now Im working on a zone offense for my youth squad I dont have the energy to research if they could do a sign and trade but apparently DPG, Dunc and El are following this religously so I will defer to them.

But I just read that Knicks could possibly land Paul still so I dont see how the Lakers could not do something simliar if it is possible. But again I skimmed through the draft (outline) of the CBA but did not bother to digest most of it ...

It is what it is. This is a star league and if the Lakers don't get one relatively soon there will be lean years for a while ...new CBA or Not ...

I dont even care if we cant "stack" our team just need a true superstar and you have to get smart and lucky on some draft picks.

Then there's option 2: Learn to scout talent and spot diamonds in the rough, then learn to develop them.

Hiring turn-key squads isn't the only way to win rings.

[Giuseppe]

Then there's option 2: Learn to scout talent and spot diamonds in the rough, then learn to develop them.

Hiring turn-key squads isn't the only way to win rings.

It got me:::

Kobe: 5

tired old bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

[Killakobe81]

Then there's option 2: Learn to scout talent and spot diamonds in the rough, then learn to develop them.

Hiring turn-key squads isn't the only way to win rings.

The spurs are maginficent at scouting these so called diamonds ...but yall still needed duncan and David to spit shine the off them.

Without two #1 overall picks anchoring the franchise all of that scouting and developing would of meant nada ...

It's a star league ...NFL is a QB league MLB is a pitcher's league sure you need defense in all of them, role players and diamonds in the rough ...but without those main ingredients pretty hard to win.

[DMC]

The spurs are maginficent at scouting these so called diamonds ...but yall still needed duncan and David to spit shine the off them.

Without two #1 overall picks anchoring the franchise all of that scouting and developing would of meant nada ...

The Lakers have had some of the biggest names in the game and yet they don't develop any of the "new" talent.

It's a star league ...NFL is a QB league MLB is a pitcher's league sure you need defense in all of them, role players and diamonds in the rough ...but without those main ingredients pretty hard to win.

Who are the 2 stars Dallas used to sweep LA?

The truth is that LA fans are spoiled and don't have the patience to see players develop.

I get a kick out of seeing rookies develop their game and make a name, but Lakers fans are like Yankees fans, they just want another win, don't give a who's doing it. They just want the bragging rights.

[Killakobe81]

The Lakers have had some of the biggest names in the game and yet they don't develop any of the "new" talent.

Who are the 2 stars Dallas used to sweep LA?

The truth is that LA fans are spoiled and don't have the patience to see players develop.

I get a kick out of seeing rookies develop their game and make a name, but Lakers fans are like Yankees fans, they just want another win, don't give a who's doing it. They just want the bragging rights.

Did NOT say you needed TWO superstars. Lakers only had one ...Mavs have only one. spurs only had one.

What I said, DMC is that the Lakers need A SUPERSTAR ... just ONE to build around ...if that person is a TRUE SUPERSTAR you dont need two of them. IF you get two like 3 peat Lakers then you got a mini dynasty ...

I just want one to replace Kobe ...I am not being greedy here ...you can develop the rest of the roster to complement that star.

[DMC]

Did NOT say you needed TWO superstars. Lakers only had one ...Mavs have only one. spurs only had one.

What I said, DMC is that the Lakers need A SUPERSTAR ... just ONE to build around ...if that person is a TRUE SUPERSTAR you dont need two of them. IF you get two like 3 peat Lakers then you got a mini dynasty ...

What's Kobe?

Also, you said this "Without two #1 overall picks anchoring the franchise all of that scouting and developing would of meant nada ..." as if David developed Manu and Tony.

I just want one to replace Kobe ...I am not being greedy here ...you can develop the rest of the roster to complement that star.

Lakers fans need the deck stacked in their favor. They don't care for compe ion. You guys need an NBA cheat code.

[DMC]

We developed the out of a 17 year old Kobe. Eat , got.

Kobe is uncoachable - Phil Jackson

Kobe developed himself.

[Killakobe81]

And dont compare us to the Yanks, I hate them cats.

I just realize it's a star league ...doesnt take much patience for two #1 overall picks that happen to be two of the 5 best college big men of the past 20 years are to "develop" together ...

Dont act all holier than thou ...DMC.

And now that spur fans have tasted winning you will see, the bar has been raised. Sure you wont be "en led" like Laker fans, but your patience will be far less. Look upstairs Pop is already being disrespected as a bumbling idiot by a majority of your fan-base.

[DPG21920]

That is not what I read elsewhere ...but who knows? I admit I know ball but CBA ...dat is boring. Right now Im working on a zone offense for my youth squad I dont have the energy to research if they could do a sign and trade but apparently DPG, Dunc and El are following this religously so I will defer to them.

But I just read that Knicks could possibly land Paul still so I dont see how the Lakers could not do something simliar if it is possible. But again I skimmed through the draft (outline) of the CBA but did not bother to digest most of it ...

It is what it is. This is a star league and if the Lakers don't get one relatively soon there will be lean years for a while ...new CBA or Not ...

I dont even care if we cant "stack" our team just need a true superstar and you have to get smart and lucky on some draft picks.

Extend and Trades are still available, but that is unlikely. All you need to know is that if your going to get Howard or Paul it will come through a straight trade.

[Killakobe81]

Fisher and Kobe were developed ... Bynum too ...

[Killakobe81]

What's Kobe?

Also, you said this "Without two #1 overall picks anchoring the franchise all of that scouting and developing would of meant nada ..." as if David developed Manu and Tony.


Lakers fans need the deck stacked in their favor. They don't care for compe ion. You guys need an NBA cheat code.

Most of the time you are cool ... but you sound awfuly feminine right now.

As for the Kobe thing, we lured Shaq and we developed Kobe which is EXACTLY what I am advocating. I'm not befgging for Cp3/Dwill + Dwight pipe-dreams ...

[NRHector]

passass1st get in here and defend me now...

pussy, needing someone else to defend him

[DPG21920]

Read this Killa, should help explain

If you a large tax payer ($4M or more over LT), you can't do Sign and Trades. So if you are a tax payer and you want to get a FA via sign and trade from another team, if you are already over 4M over the LT or the trade would put you there, you can't do it.

No Dwight to LA.

Edit: I'm a dummy. Extend and trades are still valid and that is the situation with Dwight, not a sign and trade. LA could still get him.

Bruno, with the Extend and Trade vs Sign & Trade, are there no restrictions on the E&T like the S&T with what has been reported?

Meaning that in a Dwight to LA scenario, it could be done with no real problems (from a CBA perspective) with LA being so far over the cap?

There is the restriction that the extension can only add an additional 2 years.

The most realistic Howard to LA scenario is a simple trade. In 2013, Howard would be a FA and Lakers could re-sign him to about a $120M/5years contract using their bird rights on him. In a extend and trade deal, Howard would only receive about $40M over 2 years.




An amnestied player won't be able to re-sign with his former team. He can sign with the other 29 teams for whatever contract he can get.

I guess the special waiving procedure for amnestied players will use a silent auction system. Teams with cap space will say what percentage of his previous contract they are ready to pay. The team ready to pay the highest percentage will get the player.

For example, RJ's contract is:
11-12: $7.5M (with the pro-ration)
12-13: $10.2M
13-14: $11M (player option)

If the wining team of the silent auction got him at 40%, his contract wiht his new team will be:
11-12: $3M
12-13: $4.1M
13-14: $4.4M (player option)

the remaining 60% of his contract will be paid by Spurs.

Am I missing something? Then why would the Extend and Trades be such a big deal if players can just do this?

It's less easy to do for a player because he will play months without an extension and risks an injury that will cost him his new big contract. It's also less comfortable for the franchise because the player will hit FA and can be stolen by a third team.

Saying that, the new extend and trade rule won't really change the NBA landscape. It's a little item of the new CBA. Even under the previous CBA, these extend and trade deal were very rare with only, I think, 2 made during the whole former CBA (Garnett to Boston and Melo to NY).

Extend and Trades are still available, but that is unlikely. All you need to know is that if your going to get Howard or Paul it will come through a straight trade.

[Koolaid_Man]

Magic
Scott
Worthy
West
Baylor
Mikan

This list goes on and on. Spurfan just started watching the sport this past decade. Most of them climbed down the coconut tree just to follow Jim over here to watch tv for the first time.

[Koolaid_Man]

Hey dip DPG...Dwight will be in our arms long before this takes effect...

Originally Posted by DPG21920
If you a large tax payer ($4M or more over LT), you can't do Sign and Trades. So if you are a tax payer and you want to get a FA via sign and trade from another team, if you are already over 4M over the LT or the trade would put you there, you can't do it.

No Dwight to LA.

Edit: I'm a dummy. Extend and trades are still valid and that is the situation with Dwight, not a sign and trade. LA could still get him.

[Killakobe81]

I just dont get why DMC even cares about "laker fan" expectations or lack of patience ...

In Spurland it's all about class, and loyalty to Tim & David ...that is YOUR "thing" we get it.

Sure many Laker fans are "spoiled" that is our thang. I waited over 12 years between les (1988 and 2000) I did not feel so spoiled then. And my guess is sooner or later I will have to face a "drought" again ... happens. But I wont accept FO not doing EVERYTHING in it's power to get another star in L.A. With the price of tix in Staples the Lakers can NOT afford to lack at least one bonafide supertar like the mid 90's team lacked ...we won't stand for it ...

[Koolaid_Man]

I just dont get why DMC even cares about "laker fan" expectations or lack of patience ...

In Spurland it's all about class, and loyalty to Tim & David ...that is YOUR "thing" we get it.

Sure many Laker fans are "spoiled" that is our thang. I waited over 12 years between les (1988 and 2000) I did not feel so spoiled then. And my guess is sooner or later I will have to face a "drought" again ... happens. But I wont accept FO not doing EVERYTHING in it's power to get another star in L.A. With the price of tix in Staples the Lakers can NOT afford to lack at least one bonafide supertar like the mid 90's team lacked ...we won't stand for it ...

Did you not see my thread on Duncan forcing himself on a chic..save the class argument...Killa you have a good Laker heart but man you need to work on that Spur fan ass kissing...they would shank you in a minute...recognize...Kori don't even like dealing with the Ho's...

say it with me it will make you feel better...

OFF YOU MAGGOTT ASS IN THE BOOTY ASS SPUR FANS!!!!