Saints sell total of 30,000 tickets for all 4 games in B.R.

[TheWriter]

Yes, sure, San Antonio might be able to get good attendance at home games. Big ing deal. That is not what drives the NFL's revenues. The TV money does. I'm sorry if this hurts you San Antonihomers but it's the truth. Some of you are so ing provincial it's not even funny.

I thought it was how many luxury suites a stadium has.

Was the NFL thinking "TV market" or "making big bank" when it game Charlotte and Jacksonville teams?

Make up your lame ass mind.

[j-6]

I thought it was how many luxury suites a stadium has.

Was the NFL thinking "TV market" or "making big bank" when it game Charlotte and Jacksonville teams?

Make up your lame ass mind.

The NFL was thinking stable ownership with deep pockets when Carolina was given a team. When it was time to award the 2nd franchise in '93, the NFL wasn't impressed with any of the ownership bids left from St Louis, Baltimore or Memphis as well as Jacksonville.

Jacksonville got their together faster than any of the other listed towns and sent in a revised bid under a new ownership group including a complete renovation of the Gator Bowl into today's Alltel Stadium and selling over 10K club level seats in under two weeks.

[TheWriter]

The NFL was thinking stable ownership with deep pockets when Carolina was given a team. When it was time to award the 2nd franchise in '93, the NFL wasn't impressed with any of the ownership bids left from St Louis, Baltimore or Memphis as well as Jacksonville.

Jacksonville got their together faster than any of the other listed towns and sent in a revised bid under a new ownership group including a complete renovation of the Gator Bowl into today's Alltel Stadium and selling over 10K club level seats in under two weeks.

Whatever the reasons, the fact that Charlotte and Jacksonville recieved teams pretty much slaps MB's (my ) little TV market theory to .

[j-6]

The TV contract pie does not grow with another Texas franchise. It grows by getting a franchise in Los Angeles.

Yup. And it's much easier on the league to move the orphan Saints into the arms of 10 million Angelenos than to solicit some expansion team to them.

If Tags got $700M out of Bob McNair five years ago, the next expansion price is going to be well over a billion dollars, and probably closer to 1.5B.

Costs of previous NFL expansion:

Houston Texans $700 million 2002
Cleveland Browns $580 million 1998
Carolina Panthers and Jacksonville Jaguars $140 million 1995
Seattle Seahawks and Tampa Bay Buccaneers $16 million 1976
Cincinnati Bengals (AFL) $8 million 1967
New Orleans Saints $8.5 million 1967
Atlanta Falcons $8.5 million 1966
Miami Dolphins (AFL) $7.5 million 1966
Minnesota Vikings $1 million 1961
Dallas Cowboys $1 million 1960

[j-6]

Whatever the reasons, the fact that Charlotte and Jacksonville recieved teams pretty much slaps MB's (my ) little TV market theory to .

I see where you're coming from, but that doesn't explain everything either. Remember, St Louis, Memphis (temporarily), and Baltimore all had teams within five years after the '93 expansion. The Rams were still playing in the crumbling old Anaheim Stadium in '94, and all the renovations were done after Frontiere ed for half a decade and noone thought she'd have the balls to move out of such a large market. When she did and LA/Orange County realized that she wasn't coming back, Disney (who owned the MLB Angels)and the city of Anaheim quickly agreed on a stadium package to keep the baseball team in town.

There's a big difference between an established NFL owner and member of the good ol' boy club taking his franchise to LA, and a bunch of idiots with pie-in-the-sky plans (remember the guy who wanted to build a stadium and a park on top of a parking garage?) and questionable monetary means getting a team.

I see the arguments for a third NFL team in Texas, since New York, California, and Florida all have three. And I'm actually flying down tomorrow at what's for me a considerable expense to see the Saints game when I could spend less money and go watch the Cowboys play the Giants.

I support San Antonio's effort here with my own wallet, but there's a need to be realistic here. I'd think it's somewhere between a 3-1 and a 4-1 shot at them staying in SA, and almost all of that is because of Benson's ties to the area.

[Obstructed_View]

Whatever the reasons, the fact that Charlotte and Jacksonville recieved teams pretty much slaps MB's (my ) little TV market theory to .

No, actually it doesn't. It just makes your argument look pointless, and your attempt to deflect it look stupid. We aren't talking about expansion, we are talking about relocation. Moving the fan base of an existing team from one of the smallest and poorest to the second largest is just smart. Moving it from a small poor market to a slightly larger poor market isn't.

[j-6]

Another thing. The Panthers are a truly regional franchise.

Don't forget that the Panthers draw from the Charlotte market, the Raliegh-Durham-Chapel Hill market, the Asheville-Greenville (SC) market, and the Columbia (SC) market. Thay played their first season all the way over in Clemson, SC while waiting for their Charlotte stadium to be ready, despite having collegiate facilities in Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Winston-Salem, and Durham.

[scott]

MB's point isn't that the San Antonio market isn't big enoug, it's that the NFL already has the San Antonio market locked up. The Saints moving here doesn't create more people watching the games on TV, it just displaces the ones who were previously watching the Cowboys.

[Marcus Bryant]

If TV markets do not matter why the do networks agree to multi-year, multi-billion $ contracts to secure the broadcast rights?

I mean, damn, get a ing clue San Antonihomer.

[Marcus Bryant]

I thought it was how many luxury suites a stadium has.

Was the NFL thinking "TV market" or "making big bank" when it game Charlotte and Jacksonville teams?

Make up your lame ass mind.

No, ownership gets those revenues. But all owners split the TV revenues, which, again, is why those owners want to see franchise moves that make it possible to command larger amounts of $ from the networks that want broadcast rights to NFL games.

Again, elementary.

[Obstructed_View]

hey head we know about tv and all that ....be we are from SA and we want a team.....go yourself, asshole.

you are stupid to think the fan support is all you need.....we are well aware of all that other bull .....but we don't care and we are proving we can support a team.....if the NFL has other motives they can go themselves.....Al Davis has already proven that Tom Benson can move the Saints anywhere he wants.....and he wants SA........you are a dumbass.

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