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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    now we've determined that, please feel free to continue to abuse Joe for his ethnicity

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    how does being Mexican prejudice one for/against the operation?

    If anything, i'd think being Mexican, or having Mexican relatives, would predispose one against the op.
    I agree.

    The Mexican government was intentionally left out of the loop on the Fast and Furious gun walking operation and, from what I hear, they're pretty pissed.

    This was a complete Cartel - U. S. government operation.

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    ...Fast and Furious was designed to create a pretext for more gun control, Obama ass-kissers ridiculed the idea.

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    What gun control laws have been enacted because of this conspiracy? You made the claim so.. let us know when you find it..

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    The Demand Letter required more reporting of certain gun sales -- that equals more gun control.

    And, it wasn't "an ill-conceived disaster." The gun walking was intentional.
    What part of "ill conceived" do you not understand?

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    What gun control laws have been enacted because of this conspiracy? You made the claim so.. let us know when you find it..
    They failed. Fast and Furious blew up in their faces. But, the latest memorandums, dumped by Holder last Friday, clearly show the ATF was looking to use Fast and Furious sales as a pretext to require more stringent controls on gun sales.

    You must have missed my response to that earlier.

    I also asked why the enactment of legislation would be your barometer of whether or not this was a serious scandal -- I never called it a conspiracy; it does, however, appear to be deliberate.

    The obvious question is, why would the U. S. Government intentionally allow guns to walk across the Mexican border with absolutely no controls or means to track them?

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    What part of "ill conceived" do you not understand?
    he probably assumed you were euphemizing. being yoni means never having to ask others to clarify. he'll tell you what you meant.

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    What part of "ill conceived" do you not understand?
    The part that minimizes the intent of the act.

    I should have said it was worse than "ill-conceived." I think its a criminal act.

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    see? you were minimizing.

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    see? you were minimizing.
    "Ill-conceived" suggests, to me, Teysha Blue believes there was some noble intent. "maliciously conceived," fits better.

    But, y'all continue to argue semantics, if you wish. That you do seems, to me, suggest you don't believe this is a serious matter.

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    "Ill-conceived" suggests, to me, Teysha Blue believes there was some noble intent. "maliciously conceived," fits better.

    But, y'all continue to argue semantics, if you wish. That you do seems, to me, suggest you don't believe this is a serious matter.
    Actually, laughably stupid is closer to my intent.

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    Because it's not important what Teysha Blue meant by "ill-conceived disaster."

    Because I used the phrase in my post to contrast with my belief it was much worse than an "ill-conceived disaster?"

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    The notion that reporting sales = gun control is ill conceived.

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    Actually, laughably stupid is closer to my intent.
    Okay, so what were they laughably and stupidly trying to achieve by allowing thousands of guns to be taken across the border, into Mexico, with absolutely not checks or tracking devices, where they were then used to murder hundreds of Mexican citizens and, up until now, one U. S. Law Enforcement Officer?

    What was the intent of the program?

    And, if you arrive at the same conclusion as seems to be coming to light now -- that they were attempting to influence domestic gun policy -- how is that not more than laughably stupid?

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    gun-running pre-dates Obama's Exec, dubya's Exec did it, too.

    And what's wrong with more gun control and tons more gun control enforcement since criminal gun dealers and private gun sellers violate the current regulations with impunity?

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    Lrn2contextualize.

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    The notion that reporting sales = gun control is ill conceived.
    It amounts to gun registration.

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    And, if you arrive at the same conclusion as seems to be coming to light now -- that they were attempting to influence domestic gun policy -- how is that not more than laughably stupid?
    this conclusion is laughably stupid, imho. there are much easier ways to influence domestic policy.

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    It amounts to gun registration.
    No. It amounts to reporting traceabilty of gun sales to a particular class of weapon.. We already have gun registration.

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    this conclusion is laughably stupid, imho. there are much easier ways to influence domestic policy.
    Wow, y'all like to chase rabbits.

    Can we now get back to whether or not you believe the U. S. Government was intentionally complicit in the murder of over 300 Mexican citizens and one U. S. Law Enforcement Officer.

    And, if you do believe that, what should be done about this "ill-conceived, laughably stupid," criminal act?

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    No. It amounts to reporting traceabilty of gun sales to a particular class of weapon.. We already have gun registration.
    Fine.

    Is it alright with you that the U. S. Government is complicit in the murder of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a U. S. Law Enforcement Officer to create the pretext for ins uting a minor gun policy?

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    Wow, y'all like to chase rabbits.

    Can we now get back to whether or not you believe the U. S. Government was intentionally complicit in the murder of over 300 Mexican citizens and one U. S. Law Enforcement Officer.

    And, if you do believe that, what should be done about this "ill-conceived, laughably stupid," criminal act?
    Then stop breeding rabbits, knucklehead.

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    Then stop breeding rabbits, knucklehead.
    Fine. Care to get back to the topic, then?

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    Quite honestly I'm surprised that anyone in here would try to defend the indefensible actions of the Justice Department no matter which color glasses they see the world through...

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    Can we now get back to whether or not you believe the U. S. Government was intentionally complicit in the murder of over 300 Mexican citizens and one U. S. Law Enforcement Officer.
    Complicit? Undeniably.

    Intentionally? Not sure.
    And, if you do believe that, what should be done about this "ill-conceived, laughably stupid," criminal act?
    Calling it a crime begs a question better settled in court, but I think those responsible should be fired.

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