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Just call me Nostradamus.
Disagree...he's the biggest defensive force in the game, took his team on a surprising finals run in 2009, and has slowly but surely improved his postgame. The scariest thing is that he will get better--as a passer too--something that made Shaq great.
He's easily the best big in the game right now, and he cant be defended one-on-one. Free agents want to play with him, he's a good teammate, and he's not fat and lazy.
Get Howard, ship Bynum's ass out.
^Mentioning him with Daddy does a grave injustice to them both.
He's not Shaq, nobody is...but he's the closest thing in today's game to him. Shaq was obviously a much much greater offensive force, but D12 is the better defender--he's also going against lesser centers than shaq had to go against, so his offensive impact can end up being great as well.
This is what LA does, Cub. We grab the best big man out there, make him a Laker, and win rings:
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Howard
That formula has worked for close to 50 years...more if you take into account Mikan w/ Minneapolis.
Why mess with a half-century of success?
Because Dwight is black and Gasol is white
This deal only makes sense if we get Howard first. Without D12 we'd have a pg with knee issues, a center with knee issues, and a 33-yr old Kobe with knee issues. Watch out NBA!
Trade for D12 will probably come at a cost for Bynum & Gasol.
but still nothing's guaranteed.
You're telling me if that deal was even negotiated lakers would decline it?
LOL.
Of course getting D12 would be more ideal b/c legit center's in the league are a rare commodity, but if you can get a Superstar like CP3 for just giving up Pau freakin' Gasol?
It happens.
You act like Bynum/Gasol tandem have done so well --- how many laker threads have complained that these 2 wont work, just look what CP3 does for someone like a Tyson Chandler offensively, imagine what that would do for Bynum.
Now,
If you didn't have Bynum and Odom to rely on for the inside game, then the trade turns into "risk territory"
(but the discussion seems to only have Gasol as the center piece)
But again I emphasize the trade would be for 31 year Old Pau Freakin' Gasol.
Otherwise Lakers risk of not getting either and having to stand pat with a team who got beat by 36 points in a Must-Win game just to avoid a Sweep.
I see what you're saying, and for all we know LA has already offered Pau for Paul (as that seems to be the indication). But i'm just hesitant to trade big for small in the NBA. Gasol was crap in the playpffs last year, but i believe it was more mental than physical. Players dont usually go from champs to dog in one season, so i'd be more comfortable keeping him (assuming LA doesnt land D12), and getting a pg like...baron davis in free agency as a stopgap.
Paul wont change LA's fortunes, so I'd rather not part with bigs (a rare commodity) to get him--unless.of course Dwight comes.
Point Acknowledged,
Not that these are similar situations but Hornets and L.A did a big for small swap before.
Remember? Landed you guys Mr. Kobe Bryant.
Not that bad, IMO.
Anyways:
https://twitter.com/#!/sam_amick/sta...53840573890560
League sources say the Houston has been trying to put together a three-team deal with the Lakers and New Orleans in which Paul goes to LA.
It was and nothing we haven't seen before. Pau has collasped mentally in the playoffs many times before 2011.
Pau went from dog to champ. He's 31 at this point, still completely soft and mentally unreliable. You're trading a rapidly declining asset that will never be more valued for the best point guard in the NBA. Pau won't be movable 1-2 years from now and then you're stuck with a 20 million dollar rotten vagina.
Bull . Paul is an astronomical upgrade over Fisher. The Lakers instantly solve their biggest issue of the last 10 years while maintaining a fantastic front line.
You give up significantly more for a marginal upgrade at center with Howard. You give up significantly less for swapping out the worst point guard in the NBA for the best by moving a dude that posted 13/6 on 42% shooting in the postseason
@ Laker fans giving Pau Gasol a pass when he pulled the same exact in 2005, 2006 and 2008 hoping he'll magically de-pussify himself and become 4 years younger.
Ariza would just be icing on the championship trade cake.
Only difference is Paul never actually acomplished anything in 6 years. At 13 down in the 3rd in June of '10 Fisher grabbed some jacks & timbers and he started back down.
No, but your point is duly noted. We did cash in on Kobe for sure...
Neither did Gasol, Curly.
The Lakers have made out just fine with less than effective PG's.Paul is an astronomical upgrade over Fisher. The Lakers instantly solve their biggest issue of the last 10 years while maintaining a fantastic front line.
You give up significantly more for a marginal upgrade at center with Howard. You give up significantly less for swapping out the worst point guard in the NBA for the best by moving a dude that posted 13/6 on 42% shooting in the postseason
If you'd rather have CP3 than D12 then you're on crack. D12 is more than a "marginal upgrade" over Bynum, don't be stupid. If we can get both, great...but D12 is the most important piece.
Fine. Get 'em to take Kwami, I mean Walton for Paul and I'll come a runnin'.
and a 2nd round pick that later is to become a franchise player.
marginal upgrade
& I'll come a runnin'.
Trading Pau for Paul gets the Lakers a trip to the second round, trading for Dwight gets them to the Finals and getting both will probably win them the 'ship.
They say lightnin' never strikes twice, but they also said LeBron would be the next Jordan.
Like last season when a certified midget took a dump all over the Lakers? Oh, ok.
I'd rather have Bynum/Odom/Kobe/Paul than Howard/Gasol/Kobe. If you think the latter is the better team then you're the one on a crack binge. Not only is the former a better squad, it has way more flexibility going forward. You can even revisit the Howard stuff in the summer.
^
Gets it.
^ yeah, all Muse has to do is say it. It's always easy in December.
Ok, so we lose our biggest offensive threat in the frontcourt and are left with a center who plays half a season of uninspired basketball and can't stay out of foul trouble (STILL)...AND Mr. Kardashian, who puts up 17 and 11 one night and 3 and 6 the next. But hey, we'd have a beast backcourt that Miami would have NO problem defending.
@BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
o_O RT @WojYahooNBA: As SI reports, the Lakers, Hornets and Rockets are engaged in 3-way talks on deal that would send Chris Paul to Lakers.
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