Atheists Lest Trusted than Rapists

[Winehole23]

those without such faith are not bound to any moral tenets

why assume that. plausible, but not necessary.

morality occurs outside of religious credo, believe it or not

[Spurminator]

it's actively present in this thread (and many others lately), not just implied imho

Sure, but this is a message board. The medium lends itself to provocation. I don't think it's a good sample of what atheists are like in general, or anyone for that matter.

why more? i'd rate it about equal

IMO:

Types of Atheist Issues that piss off Christians
- No "crosses" at national memorials, and other complaints about religious symbols in public places
- Removing "In God We Trust" from currency
- Making kids say "One Nation Under God" in school
- All-inclusive "Holiday" parties that don't make non-Christians feel excluded
- Evolution's place in public science classes

Types of Christian issues that piss of atheists
- Gay marriage / Gays in the Military being outlawed
- Fights against abortion and Planned Parenthood, etc.
- Faith as a litmus for political electability
- Creationism's place in public school science classes
- The hyperbolic rage that meets any discussion of the above Atheist issues

Feel free to add any I may have missed, but it seems like if we're weighing the issues based on how important they are to civilization, the gripe atheists have with Christianity's influence seems to be more weighty.

there's also apparently a feeling of en lement that it's ok to denigrate and make broad ascriptions to people based on their religious belief. it is offensive too.

I see legit gripes on both sides.

Sure, that feeling exists among atheists. But in the only sample I can go by (my own social acquaintances) I don't see it nearly as prevalent among my atheist friends as among my Christian friends and family.

[Winehole23]

Sure, that feeling exists among atheists.

it is freely expressed here, as it should be. is it bad taste to mention that?

[Winehole23]

fair enough on the status of the asymmetry. i'm no expert on that.

[Spurminator]

it is freely expressed here, as it should be. is it bad taste to mention that?

Not at all, I just disagree that the sense of moral en lement is generally as strong among atheists as with Christians. I think it just tends to look that way depending on what medium you're using.

For example, if we judged all atheists by reddit.com/r/atheism, we'd think they were all complete assholes.

[Winehole23]

maybe the most strident advocates distort ones perception of what is normal

[Winehole23]

quien sabe?

[The Reckoning]

no se senor

[LnGrrrR]

maybe the most strident advocates distort ones perception of what is normal

The ones who are vocal are more likely to be more strident. I've found those who speak up about their professed beliefs are rarely on the fence with them.

[Winehole23]

hard to say. yoni reversed field in his latest F&F thread. said he meant the opposite of what he actually said.

[Winehole23]

slippery, yes

[Winehole23]

(okie noodling)

[Winehole23]

random internet jackasses can be deceptively easy to deal with

[Yonivore]

why assume that. plausible, but not necessary.

morality occurs outside of religious credo, believe it or not

Stating a perception exists <> Yonivore assumes.

hard to say. yoni reversed field in his latest F&F thread. said he meant the opposite of what he actually said.

Well, that didn't happen.

[Winehole23]

of course not. you're faultlessly consistent, Yoni.

[Winehole23]

Stating a perception exists <> Yonivore assumes.

Sorry, I assumed you were speaking for yourself and not for hypothetical persons or opinions. My bad.

[Yonivore]

of course not. you're faultlessly consistent, Yoni.

Again, claiming I didn't reverse myself on a specific issue <> claiming I'm "faultlessly consistent."

[Winehole23]

as for the other thread, I hope you know other people can read for themselves

[Yonivore]

One would think people in this forum would tire of you hijacking threads just to hate on me but, I guess not; you seem to be getting some award in scott's survey monkey for being the most impartial or something.

Well, that's an achievement.

[Yonivore]

as for the other thread, I hope you know other people can read for themselves

I'm sure they can...well, some of them.

[Winehole23]

like I said, you're deceptively easy to deal with, but I have more practice than most...

[Winehole23]

One would think people in this forum would tire of you hijacking threads just to hate on me but, I guess not; you seem to be getting some award in scott's survey monkey for being the most impartial or something.

Well, that's an achievement.

The thread sucked. Sue me.

[Yonivore]

like I said, you're deceptively easy to deal with, but I have more practice than most...

I think you're deceiving yourself.

So, on what point did I reverse myself and please, know the definition of reverse better than you did complicit. I would hate for you to have to reverse yourself, as you did in the F&F thread because you shot from the hip.

[Winehole23]

you said the US was complicit in murder. you backed away from that later, in fact explicitly disclaimed it.

[Winehole23]

reread the thread, counselor. looks bad for you.