very interesting post GSH
on that point I think nobody will get mad hearing isn't the strongest guy out there. TP has never been an athletic freak to begin with, he is one of the rare nba player not capable to dunk. I'm not sure I can find 10 other guys in the league not capable to dunk tbh.
TP has for him to be a quick healer and to be fearless to go among the trees to get lay-ups. BTW saying easy layups make meeasy maybe but hard to go there.
One thing we cannot complain about TP is his toughness, I remember some PO games TP hitting the floor every two possessions and he would keep on going over and over.
I tell you one way: there's been quite a bit of upgrades league-wise at the PG position. Guys like CP3, Deron blossomed to the top. Some guys have stepped up their games (Conley, Lowry, Barea, Ridnour). Then there's the new batch of talented kids that were not even around back then (Rose, Evans, now Rubio).
Don't get me wrong. It's just the impression I get watching the games and looking at some games from older (3,4 seasons ago) seasons.
To be frank, it might not even be entirely Tony's fault. He used to get regularly chewed by Pop when he ed up on D, and we very seldom see that anymore (Pop had a vintage night like that the other day).
Some players need to be lit up sometimes to really make them focus on that.
He's never been able to handle offseason ball plus NBA ball.
Sadly this has always been the case and always will.
It seems like the only Spurs fans who have appreciated TP over the years are the ones who were fans before the championship days and can remember the 25 years of trash at point guard before some skinny kid arrived from something called Paris Basket Racing.
But I hear ya. He's never dunked in traffic that I can remember.
I never wanted to trade Parker until he got raped by Michael Conley and Grievis Vazquez.
ing scrubs Conley and Vazquez completely humilliated the man. Now he is just a s of himself.
I don't see Parker getting back to any 2009 form at all. All we can hope for is he can be useful once playoffs come and won't spread his legs like last time.
Also notable about that play: It was the last time Rod Strickland ever played in the NBA.
Strickland never played again. Ever.Code:3:13 Rod Strickland Lost Ball. Stolen by Tony Parker. 77-87 3:09 77-89 Tony Parker made slam dunk. 3:04 Houston Full Timeout. 3:04 Andre Barrett enters the game for Rod Strickland.
Ironic that Strickland career began by getting opportunity in San Antonio and ended on the Tony Parker ownage in San Antonio.
I don't think TP has ever thrown it down in traffic. He's got like one dunk where he was on a fastbreak and all by himself. Parker lacks the creativity and vision to be a 9-10 apg. How often are his assist for dunks, layups, or points in the paint. For all the people that say the reason is because of the Spurs system do they seriously think if the Spurs got Chris Paul he would average less than 9 apg.
What about jumpshots timvp?? Do statistics show some decline in that as well? Because seriously I haven't seen him shoot this bad. Even his FT look as they used to be.
Shoulder tendinitis would make sense. Because I just don't buy that Parker's ability to finish in the paint and at the rim has fallen off that to that extent in that short a span. Point guards heavily reliant on speed and quickness generally don't gradually decline, but this is too step a drop for even that type of player.
What's most alarming is that they're going to need probably 18-22 from him a lot of games with Ginobili and the odd 25-30 point game. Right now, for the most part they've gotten by without it, but at some point they're going to go into a slump from three and when they do, then what? They'll be no source of consistent offense, to go with the inconsistent rebounding and the porous defense.
Hasn't he done BS with the French NT every summer except for one or two years?
Me too, tbh
After Parker got embarrassed in the playoffs and then went to the French media to say the championship run was over, I wanted him gone.
But during the loooooooooong offseason, I eventually changed my mind. Mostly just because I think he can become more valuable at some point than he was after that Memphis disaster. Plus, with Duncan and Ginobili still around, the timing to tear everything down wasn't quite right.
Hopefully TP retires in a Spurs uniform but unless the rebuilding process goes absolutely perfectly, it probably won't happen.
I wanted him gone after he said we are done. We were what!?! One win away from the best record in the NBA an he says that. Trade that Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_
It seems like the only Spurs fans who have appreciated TP over the years are the ones who were fans before the championship days and can remember the 25 years of trash at point guard before some skinny kid arrived from something called Paris Basket Racing.
Good question and I probably should have included it in the OP.
FG% on jumpers outside of ten feet
2007 - .414
2008 - .398
2009 - .423
2010 - .371
2011 - .369
2012 - .393
Parker's jumper isn't a problem. It's actually better than it's been in a few years.
And his 77.5% at the line is near his career-high.
Good stuf timvp. Full circle.Also notable about that play: It was the last time Rod Strickland ever played in the NBA.
Strickland never played again. Ever.Code:3:13 Rod Strickland Lost Ball. Stolen by Tony Parker. 77-87 3:09 77-89 Tony Parker made slam dunk. 3:04 Houston Full Timeout. 3:04 Andre Barrett enters the game for Rod Strickland.
Ironic that Strickland career began by getting opportunity in San Antonio and ended on the Tony Parker ownage in San Antonio.
Then I guess his problem is... he is sucking from 3pt land.
Remember a rookie Boobie Gibson. Frightening thing Daniel has improved, hes still a physically limited jump-shooting back-up point guard, but he is a top of the line back-up point guard. He provides some fairly dead-eye shooting, has a pretty good vision. He's short and sorta slow but he is smart enough to play the passing lanes and be in position and he does realize he's physically limited and gives his all to over-come it.Ah, the championship days...when Parker was subbed out for real PG's when the team needed it the mostExcept against Boobie Gibson of course
Anyway here's hoping Parker can turn things around, but I think he's been done as a primary option, and could've used a change of scenery
Nice writeup TVP, but I think is is easy to get a little over analytical here. Tony does not have to score as much anymore, and he has not transitioned to being a distributer yet. I am hoping Tony can make that transition now, but I have some doubts. TP has always had problems finding the right balance, but to be honest and fair to him, the injury situations over the last few years have hindered him in that regard. It seems like at the time TP starts to figure out the balance between scoring and dishing, a key injury happens, and the TP has to go into scorer mode again.
Tbh, I think Pop's offense has also held TP back a bit. If the Spurs ran more allioops and stuff, I think Parkers career numbers assist wise would have been better. If the Spurs would have run more before last season, TP would have better numbers as well.
With Manu hurt, parker can't be traded unless it is for another pg, so the people here that keep saying trade him for a big need to rethink things. Neal is no where near ready to play the point and TJ has been injury prone.
Hopefully TP's game will evolve so he can fit in with the youth movement.
Of course his stats are down. More than ever teams are collapsing on Tony because there is almost nothing else around him capable of driving the lane. Tony has never been this isolated as a creator for the offense at any point for extended games in his career. In the past when Manu has been out he's had George Hill and a better Duncan. That isn't the case now.
The fact that Tony is doing the same on the defensive end should show you that he hasn't lost a step.
Correlation does not mean causation.
Also, Tony's still getting to the rim. He's not being stopped by defenders on his way there. He's missed a few gimmies here and there, but for the most part I think the defenses are keying on Tony first and foremost.
PS DPG will be wacking it to this thread
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Oh, I forgot to add your assist numbers pretty much show what I've said. When you factor in that he's taken over in the fourth when its actually mattered in several games this year I don't think its a matter of "can't" but rather he's choosing his spots.
All great points Manny. A team like OKC with their overall team length is a terrible situation for TP as well.
**What the is wrong with me...five posts in one day, I need to stop before I resemble that post wh*re Laker Lanny. Tbh, I would have to be completely braindead or comotose to fall to his dung heap level**
Last edited by callo1; 01-10-2012 at 08:35 PM.
He needs a little Eva back in his life
Here's the problem with the numbers after just 9 games:
Blocked shots are counted as FGA's. And almost ALL blocks happen at the rim, or in that 3-9 foot range - which happens to be where Tony's shooting percentages are suffering. This earl in the season, just a couple of extra blocks and a couple of shots rattling out can destroy shooting percentages.
Look at it this way. From 3-9 feet, Tony is 4/12. One less block, and one shot getting a good bounce, and he's .500 instead of .333. A couple less blocks at the rim or getting a couple of rolls on layups could improve that number a bunch, too. On the other hand, his assist numbers could be up just because of the extra 3's that Jefferson has hit. This early in the season, just a few blips can cause some real distortions in the stats.
I guess the real question is: are the blocks his fault, or just the result of a few extraordinary defensive plays? (Or even a few lucky swipes?) Are the misses at the rim because he is a step slow, or just a few careless shots? (Or bad rolls? Or un-called fouls?)
Apparently TP got my email and decided to play the exact opposite tonight
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