WC's Extreme Views

[Wild Cobra]

See, this is a prime example of somebody that didn't think this through.

And when you brought this up originally, I gave you specific examples of why this would be a terrible, short-sighted idea.

I don't recall you having any example that I didn't give what i consider valid counter argument to.

Furthermore, the post includes numerous assumptions and generalizations that you don't really care to back up, but you draw conclusions from.

Example: After all, most younger people see food stamps, earned income credit, and other handouts as a right.

Have you seen what the schools teach these days? They don't come right out and teach that it's a right, but kids do learn of the availability of so many programs, and they aren't treated as the stigma they should be.

You're also assuming that society would benefit more from the temporary economic savings from the couple not having a child, which is hardly a fact.

Really...

I don't think you can make the argument that increasing babies among people who take government assistance as any kind of a positive thing.

[Wild Cobra]

tbh, you do. all the time.

Not my intent. If you have an example in mind you can quickly find, I'd like to see it.

[Winehole23]

I'll point it out next time I see it happen.

[ElNono]

I don't recall you having any example that I didn't give what i consider valid counter argument to.

I'm pretty sure I brought up liability as an argument, and I don't think you ever had a valid counter argument to that. I'm sure I brought other examples too.

Have you seen what the schools teach these days? They don't come right out and teach that it's a right, but kids do learn of the availability of so many programs, and they aren't treated as the stigma they should be.

So, we just have to take your word for it? I've seen what the schools teach these days. I disagree that it supports your broad assumption and generalization. The least I expect is that you back it up.

Really...

I don't think you can make the argument that increasing babies among people who take government assistance as any kind of a positive thing.

If anything, the burden of proof is on you, who's making the claim.

And it's not that difficult to see how more people would be a plus in this country. I think it was WH or RG that pointed out that the US is actually heading towards a population reduction going forward.
For one, they're very likely to be another taxpayer. And you just don't know what they'll become. They could turn out to be a genius. They could be the soldiers that killed OBL. They could turn out to be job-creators.

There's more to "benefiting society" than economics.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll point it out next time I see it happen.

Please do. I'm thinking it's more likely one of the several times I rushed through a thread, and missed some important points someone said. It's not something I do with the intent, when the context is in place.

Time for me to get ready for work.

[mouse]

[FromWayDowntown]

It seems like the only way that Wild Cobra's views should be seen as extreme is if Wild Cobra himself believes a particular view is extreme. I think forced sterilization -- by way of example -- is an extreme idea (and it appears that I'm not alone in that), but Wild Cobra discounts that as proof of an extreme view because, to him, it's not at all extreme.

So, the litmus test for whether an idea is extreme is whether Wild Cobra will agree that it is extreme? (he asks rhetorically).

I'm not quite sure when I lost the right to keep on own counsel about what is or isn't extreme and to express such opinions to speakers who say things that I find extreme, but I'll make note of Wild Cobra's claimed hegemony when it comes to objectively assessing the relative acceptance of his ideas.

To some extent your words speak for themselves. Your habit of continually revising "what you really meant" and dismissing all objections to what you say as crass misunderstanding (referred to notably by BaselineBum upstream) -- undermines you.

Ultimately, this was my point a few pages ago. Wild Cobra says "X;" someone responds to that by quoting Wild Cobra and saying "'X' is extreme." Having been called on that, Wild Cobra then claims that he didn't really say "X," that he really meant "X-1," claims that his statement was misconstrued, and blasts his critic for being a biased, unthinking ideologue.

It would seem that Wild Cobra frequently either doesn't mean what he writes or doesn't write what he means.

[clambake]

if wc's ideas were reality, he wouldn't exist.

[ElNono]

It would seem that Wild Cobra frequently either doesn't mean what he writes or doesn't write what he means.

Perhaps he's a poor communicator of his own thoughts, and this is all one big misunderstanding.

[FromWayDowntown]

Ultimately, Wild Cobra can think and say whatever he wishes, no matter the frustrations that his choices might create in others.

Far be it from me or anyone else to say or even suggest that he must change his approach to engaging people in this forum.

[ElNono]

I don't think he's ever been censored, so I don't think that's necessarily a concern.

[Agloco]

I see this as another successful troll job on the part of WC.

How many other posters have started a thread to discuss themselves and succeeded in building up 5+ pages of fairly insightful analyses?

Methinks your methods are becoming dangerously refined tbh.

[CuckingFunt]

Rewording what intent? Give me an example

Oh My.

I have repeatedly pointed things out when they happen. how about something else. A fictional example of what you do, that maybe you can wrap your head around.

Fictional situation: I'm at home with my girlfriend, hear a noise, grab my gun, and find a thief holding my girlfriend with a knife. I say "I'll kill you if you don't let her go and drop your knife."

After the story gets to you, you only say something like "he said he was going to kill him!" Such a statement is technically true, but puts the situation out of context, and without the proper context, lets people assume things with their own bias. It usually looks pretty bad.

You repeatedly do such things, repeating commentary out of context.

I'm guessing ElNono wanted something linkable.

[CuckingFunt]

I only use such a tactic when the intent wasn't made, and I do so to expose possibilities of what their words mean. I don't misrepresent someone's words when they had proper context.

One could argue the more effective thing to do in that situation would be to ask that person to clarify their intent.

[CuckingFunt]

I see this as another successful troll job on the part of WC.

How many other posters have started a thread to discuss themselves and succeeded in building up 5+ pages of fairly insightful analyses?

Methinks your methods are becoming dangerously refined tbh.

Not sure if I can agree with the refined bit. It proved an effective strategy, to be sure, but this thread started as one of Cobra's most painfully obvious troll jobs thus far.

[LnGrrrR]

I see it as your lack of trying to understand my position. I see it as you being so hard headed, you can't see past your own biased point of view.

Classic WC.

"It's obviously YOU being wrong, by not bothering to look at my positions or put yourself in my shoes!"

[LnGrrrR]

Wrong again ElNono. I can handle criticism. What I cant handle is repeatedly clarifying a point of view, and still having my intent twisted. That's why I so often accuse you of intentional slander, or stupidity. What else can it be, when your rewording of my viewpoint does not reflect my intent?

When everyone on the board is "unclear" about your position, I find it humorous that instead of re-examining your own position to see if it's as clear as you think it is, you assume that the whole board is purposely trying to goad you into an argument.

[LnGrrrR]

Claiming yourself as a libertarian, and then suggesting state-based sterilization, would probably be considered "extreme" as well.

Supporting warrantless wiretapping, enhanced interrogation, and other avenues of that nature would also be considered "extreme" for a self-professed libertarian.

[spursncowboys]

I see this as another successful troll job on the part of WC.

How many other posters have started a thread to discuss themselves and succeeded in building up 5+ pages of fairly insightful analyses?

Methinks your methods are becoming dangerously refined tbh.

I like it.count me in.

[Winehole23]

If they can do this with the help of family and friends, then there would be no need to prevent a second occurrence from happening.

if you allow for that possibility, why do you seek to prevent poor people from having children to begin with?

[Marcus Bryant]

Poor folk ruin the view between the microbrew and the apartment.

[Winehole23]

Yeah they do. Damn paupers.

[Winehole23]

(JM Rhum Agricole Blanc)

[Winehole23]

its a character trait

we heard you the first 150 times

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You get what you see. I rough it out a little more in person, but yeah, I more or less talk like I talk here.

If you come to Texas, can we have a beer? Serious question here.

No problem