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    Gingrich's becoming Catholic is an issue for some of these Evangelicals, as well.
    Funny how somebody finds something when it's a convenient thing.

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    Gingrich asking for an open marriage pisses off the Christian right a huge amount because it's sorta kinda the absolute an hesis the whole "sanc y of marriage" thing they tend to harp on about.
    Not to defend Newt, but I do know the claim came from his ex-wife. Did Newt acknowledge that as accurate?

    How many ex's do you think still gold grudges, and will lie to make their ex look bad? Unless this is backed up by others, I think it is irrelevant.

    What if she is pissed and vengeful because now she knows she could have been the First lady, but can't be now?

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    It's not what ya know. It's what ya can prove.

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    come again? what are you talking about?

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    It's not what ya know. It's what ya can prove.
    Prove it.

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    Newt is on a roll but I still believe Romney will win the nomination in the end.

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    Newt is on a roll but I still believe Romney will win the nomination in the end.
    Are you already ruling Paul out?

    I don't like Paul's foreign relations stance, but I decided I like him best of the remaining contenders. I'll vote for Romney, but if Gingrich wins... I'll vote 3rd party and spoil my vote.

    I don't see much harm happening because I expect the republicans to keep the house. However, if they also win the senate. I do not want the presidency held by Gingrich! In such a case, I prefer Obama remain. Nothing done is better than what the establishment crowd will attempt.

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    Are you already ruling Paul out?

    I don't like Paul's foreign relations stance, but I decided I like him best of the remaining contenders. I'll vote for Romney, but if Gingrich wins... I'll vote 3rd party and spoil my vote.

    I don't see much harm happening because I expect the republicans to keep the house. However, if they also win the senate. I do not want the presidency held by Gingrich! In such a case, I prefer Obama remain. Nothing done is better than what the establishment crowd will attempt.
    I ruled out Ron Paul months ago. The man has a message but that alone will not win him the GOP nomination and his stance on foreign policy is a sure killer for the GOP.
    I did hear some shouts for Santorum for VP under Gingrich but that would be one wild ticket.

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    Gingrich -- and Race-Baiting -- Wins in South Carolina

    Marking a triumph for the return of unvarnished racism on the American political stage, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich handily won the South Carolina Republican presidential primary on Saturday,

    he was honing his winning strategy for propelling his candidacy on the toxic fuel of racial resentment, a particularly potent brew with a black man occupying the White House.

    After his loss to Romney and Santorum in Iowa, Gingrich apparently devised a plan that set his sights on South Carolina, where the Confederate flag still flies on the grounds of the state capitol.

    he deftly repackaged an off-hand, race-baiting remark made by Rick Santorum in Iowa, and dubbed Barack Obama the "food stamp president."

    He set about putting a black face on all of America's poor, and then insinuating that these presumably dark-skinned dependents on public assistance arrived at their lowly station through laziness and the radical, redistributionist policies of America's first African-American president. Whenever he could pair his racist theories with attacks on other targets of the right -- say, labor unions and public employees -- he did. Child labor laws should be adjusted so that public school custodians could be replaced with poor kids -- who did, after all, need the money, he said, and an infusion of work ethic.

    exactly a week ahead of the South Carolina primary, Gingrich paid a visit to the Jones Memorial A.M.E. Church in Columbia, South Carolina, to face a largely African-American audience described by Politico as "hostile." There, he belligerently stuck to his guns in describing the nation's first black commander-in-chief as the "food stamp president" by repeating his false claim that, under Barack Obama, "more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history."

    Gingrich's foray into enemy territory yielded local reporting that the white, right-wing base of the South Carolina G.O.P. could really soak up.

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...paign=alternet


    Catholic Leaders Call On Gingrich And Santorum To ‘Stop Perpetuating Ugly Racial Stereotypes’ About Poverty

    As Catholic leaders who recognize that the moral scandals of racism and poverty remain a blemish on the American soul, we challenge our fellow Catholics Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum to stop perpetuating ugly racial stereotypes on the campaign trail. [...]

    Labeling our nation’s first African-American president with a le that evokes the past myth of “welfare queens” and inflaming other racist caricatures is irresponsible, immoral and unworthy of political leaders.

    Some presidential candidates now courting “values voters” seem to have forgotten that defending human life and dignity does not stop with protecting the unborn. We remind Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Santorum that Catholic bishops describe racism as an “intrinsic evil” and consistently defend vital government programs such as food stamps and unemployment benefits that help struggling Americans.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...about-poverty/

    Republican Racism is an Air Raid Siren, Not a Dog Whistle

    Definitions matter: dog whistle politics are based on a signal or cue to the in-group, and one so subtle that those not in the know will overlook it as no more than quixotic background noise, a blip, a comment without context or meaning.

    For example, during the 2004 election, President Bush's mention of the infamous Dredd Scott Supreme Court decision had nothing to do with African Americans and slavery. Rather, it was a wink to a rabidly anti-choice conservative Right-wing audience that Roe vs. Wade would be overturned by his administration.

    In 2012, Republican candidates are using overt signals, what are for all intents and purposes blaring air raid sirens and signal flares that race, whiteness, and American iden y are deeply intertwined. The appeals to white racism by the Tea Party GOP during the primaries are not background rhythms or subdued choruses. They are the driving guitars of Blue Oyster Cult's "Godzilla," the chorus of Jay-Z's "99 Problems," the opening moments of the Notorious B.I.G's "Kick in the Door," or the flipped samples of Justice's "Stress". You feel it. You know it. To deny the obvious is to close one's ears to a driving drum line and cadence that travels up through your shoes...and to your bones.

    How else can a fair observer excuse away Republican arguments that blacks are lazy parasites, whose children should live in work houses and pick up mops and brooms to learn a work ethic, that "illegal" immigrants should be killed by electric fences, or Muslim Americans should be subject to racial profiling, marked like the "Juden" of Nazi Germany?

    In all, the Tea Party GOP's campaign for the presidency rests upon marshaling white anger and rage at The Usurper, a perpetual Other, and one not fit for the presidency by virtue of his birth and skin color--he who we know as President Barack Obama. If Birtherism is not based on this calculation, on what else does it rest?

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190035

    Nixon/A er's famous "Southern Strategy" of converting white, racist, "Christian" Southern Dems to the Repug party after the civil rights gains of the 1960s worked wonderfully.

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    The bottom line is that evangelicals, tea potties, etc all will close their noses and vote whoever has an (R) next to their name in the general election.

    The real question is who appeals to the middle better to actually have a shot at winning the election. I think from this batch of candidates, Romney is probably that guy.
    Absolutely.

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    Did Gingrich's S.C. Win Break the Rules?

    By NATE SILVER


    South Carolina, moreover, is a quirky state, seemingly having resisted the tendency of its neighbors Georgia, Florida, North Carolina and Virginia to behave less like a Southern state and more like a coastal one.

    But South Carolina's seeming rejection of Mr. Romney goes beyond cultural or demographic idiosyncrasies. Mr. Romney was resoundingly defeated by Mr. Gingrich, losing badly among his worst demographic groups and barely beating Mr. Gingrich among his best ones. Had you extrapolated the exit poll cross-tabulations from South Carolina to the other 49 states, Mr. Romney might have lost 47 of them. Moreover, the decline of Mr. Romney was almost as significant in national polls as it was in South Carolina.

    Perhaps Mr. Romney's defeat had less to do with the place and more to do with the timing. It is not at all uncommon for voters to rebel against an "inevitable" nominee.

    In fact, it might be expected under the "More of the Same" paradigm.Since a version of the current nominating rules were adopted in 1972, the only non-in bent candidate to have swept all 50 states was Al Gore in 2000, and Mr. Gore was a de facto in bent, having been the vice president to a popular president and having only one significant intraparty challenger in Bill Bradley.

    The cases where the national polling lead shifted after New Hampshire are few and far between. It has never happened in a Republican race, although it did occur for Democrats in 1972, 1984, 1988 and 2008. With the partial exception of 1988, when Michael Dukakis became a fairly clear favorite after Super Tuesday, each of those contests was a fight to the finish.But in each case the front-runner's lead had been marginal - not like the robust lead that Mr. Romney had seemed to hold.

    What has been especially strange about the recent reversal in polls is that it seemed to come out of nowhere. The Monday night debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., was not Mr. Romney's strongest, and he was judged by most observers to have lost it to Mr. Gingrich. Even when a candidate loses a debate, however, he usually does not see an overnight 20-point shift against him in polls.

    Perhaps, then, there is profound resistance among Republican voters to nominating Mr. Romney after all. He has significant weaknesses as a candidate, having reversed his position on several major issues at a time when conservative voters distrust the Republican establishment and value authenticity. And he is a Mormon from Massachusetts - not a traditional pedigree for a Republican candidate.

    My view is that Mr. Gingrich's win in South Carolina alone is not enough to be paradigm-breaking. But if he follows it with a win in Florida, all bets are off. Not only would that represent further evidence of Mr. Gingrich's strength, it would suggest that we had been weighing the evidence incorrectly all along.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;js...&single=1&f=19

    The Repug establishment, power brokers, financial sector want Willard Gecko. Will they get him? Very probably.

    They all know Noot is unelectable.
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    If Willard Gecko had won SC, would he have done this?

    Romney readies tax returns to regain Republican lead

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney pledged on Sunday to release his tax returns this week, bowing to pressure from critics and hoping to make up for a misstep that helped rival Newt Gingrich win South Carolina's primary race.

    Long considered the frontrunner, Romney stumbled badly in debates last week on his delay in disclosing his tax returns and then lost his air of being the inevitable Republican nominee after a resurrected Gingrich soundly defeated him in the third contest.

    Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives, pounced on Romney's surprising weakness and rode it to victory on Saturday, trouncing the former governor of Massachusetts by 40 percent to 28 percent in South Carolina.

    Trying to regain his momentum as the race heads to the pivotal state of Florida, Romney sought to draw a line under the bad week and fix his error. He said he would release his 2010 returns and an estimate for 2011 on Tuesday.

    "We made a mistake holding off as long as we did and it just was a distraction," Romney said on Fox News Sunday.

    Last week, Romney said he pays a tax rate of around 15 percent, a low rate compared to many American wage earners but in line with what wealthy individuals pay on income that largely comes from investments.

    One of the wealthiest presidential candidates in history, Romney emphasized he was releasing two years of returns after Gingrich posted his taxes for one year -- 2010 -- on Thursday.


    http://mobile.chicagotribune.com/p.p...%3D0%26DPL%3D3

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    There is almost artistic vulgarity in Gingrich's unrepented role as a hired larynx for interests profiting from such government follies as ethanol and cheap mortgages. His Olympian sense of exemption from standards and logic allowed him, fresh from pocketing $1.6 million from Freddie Mac (for services as a "historian"), to say "if you want to put people in jail," look at "the politicians who profited from" Washington's environment.
    http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/...#ixzz1kDf3N9nu

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    I still want to know why Freddie needed a million dollar historian and precisely what the million dollar historian did.

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    I still want to know why Freddie needed a million dollar historian and precisely what the million dollar historian did.
    I fully expect that if Newt continues to do well, someone somewhere is gonna find that contract and put it on the internet.

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    In Confident Sign, Gingrich Changes Facebook Status to ‘In an Open Relationship’



    CHARLESTON, SC – In a sign of renewed confidence, just minutes after former House Speaker Newt Gingrich romped to victory in the South Carolina primary he changed his Facebook status to “In an Open Relationship.”

    Mr. Gingrich made no reference to his new Facebook status during his victory speech, in which he made an emotional appeal to the American people: “I say to each and every one of you: Join me. Join me in my marriage.”

    The former House Speaker used the speech to highlight the differences between himself and the current resident of the White House: “The American people have a choice: do they want a President who issues food stamps, or one who runs up a $500,000 tab at Tiffany?”

    Mr. Gingrich drew cheers and a standing ovation as he concluded his remarks, saying, “In closing, I am staying at the Marriott, Rm. 205. Ladies?”

    In yet another boost, Mr. Gingrich received this nod from former rival Herman Cain: “I am not endorsing Newt Gingrich, but I am endorsing Newt Gingrich’s lifestyle.”

    At the White House, President Obama made only a glancing reference to the results in South Carolina, telling reporters, “I haven’t been this happy since we smoked bin Laden.”

    For his part, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney minimized Mr. Gingrich’s 12% margin of victory: “That’s even less than I pay in taxes.”

    http://www.borowitzreport.com/

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    I still want to know why Freddie needed a million dollar historian and precisely what the million dollar historian did.
    I'm kind of curious what he did with the $1.6 mil. 500 grand would retire his tab at Tiffany's, but at this point I would imagine he's already ordering cufflinks, tie tacks and commemorative gifts for the inaugural.

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    Newt's South Carolina, Blood for Bloodsport's Sake



    Once he became the vandal he was born to be, the political arsonist among the abandoned tenements of Republican thought, he was bound to take off again.

    The base doesn't want someone whose ideas on job creation will triumph because they are superior to the president's. They want somebody who can beat him bloody, vicariously, on their behalf, somebody who can "put him in his place."

    They want someone who will kill the administration just for the sheer fun of watching it die.

    That's why Newt's fortunes took off after he slapped around Juan Williams on Monday night, and that's why they went into hyper-drive on Thursday when he declared to be "de able" any public mention of the chronic staff-banging that wrecked his second marriage and that helped wreck his speakership.

    Sooner or later, he was going to light the whole race on fire just to giggle over the flames, and that meant he had to come do it in South Carolina, and that meant he had to come do it in the upcountry around Greenville, where the base of the base always has been located, where people can be found who will gleefully join him around the bonfire, where is located the ancient home office of American treason.

    argument for electability based on blood and sinew and the raw bloodsport that's been on display since Newt disposed of his statesman's kid gloves and shined up the brass knuckles again. This is where Newt Gingrich's politics were born, places like this, deep in the unreconstructed Id of the unreconstructed South. He was always going to come home.

    http://readersupportednews.org/opini...oodsports-sake

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    Are you already ruling Paul out?

    I don't like Paul's foreign relations stance, but I decided I like him best of the remaining contenders. I'll vote for Romney, but if Gingrich wins... I'll vote 3rd party and spoil my vote.

    I don't see much harm happening because I expect the republicans to keep the house. However, if they also win the senate. I do not want the presidency held by Gingrich! In such a case, I prefer Obama remain. Nothing done is better than what the establishment crowd will attempt.
    I am definitely ruling paul out. His ceiling from here on out is 15%. book it.

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    I wonder how much of that 1.6 was taxed?

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    Not to defend Newt, but I do know the claim came from his ex-wife. Did Newt acknowledge that as accurate?

    I would think the affair while this wife was ill would be enough to show he has no respect for the sanc y of marriage.

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    I would think the affair while this wife was ill would be enough to show he has no respect for the sanc y of marriage.
    This.

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    I get his appeal. He's a smug asshole that's good at one-liners, and he's not afraid to make villains out of unpopular ins utions/people. I don't think he's got the character or leadership to be president, but he struck the right tone for a pissed off SC republican base.

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    I would think the affair while this wife was ill would be enough to show he has no respect for the sanc y of marriage.
    This...times two actually.

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