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    You can know a load about science and not agree with abortion. Is it the right science? Has the science been comprehended correctly?

    Apparently not if he's a Creationist. Does that answer your question?
    Where did I mention creationism? I addressed abortion. Paul is not an evolutionary biologist. I don't expect him to know any more about evolution than an evolutionary biologist would know about OBGYN.

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    Where did I mention creationism? I addressed abortion. Paul is not an evolutionary biologist. I don't expect him to know any more about evolution than an evolutionary biologist would know about OBGYN.
    You didn't mention creationism. I did.

    Is it that you don't have the balls to make a claim on something without fact, or what?

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    The only people I know I'm smarter than are you and the other two arguing against Atheism.

    I've already been told I'm going to . You argue against sexuality and abortion when you don't understand either on a scientific or psychological level. Mingus over there thinks that atheism=genocide.... so yeah... I've not condescended to anyone else thus far but a select three.
    i'm a member of MENSA, are you?

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    I don't believe that faith is an indicator of lack of intelligence, just that it can(and is, all the time) be used to contol stupid people by very smart people who have alterior motives, most of which are in the best interest of only a select few.

    These things could be prevented if more people would encourage their children to think freely instead of indoctrinating them with some sort of nonsense.

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    There are probably a million trends going on at once between the people who score low on IQ tests, aside from religion.
    This is because a correlation is not a cause.

    You atheists are trying to come to basically scientific conclusions about a certain group of people
    !!!IRONY ALERT!!!

    without actually conducting a scientific experiment, or any semblance of a scientific experiment.
    The chart I posted was generated by this scientific experiment (or semblance thereof)
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...60289608000238

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    You didn't mention creationism. I did.

    Is it that you don't have the balls to make a claim on something without fact, or what?
    ?

    No idea what your point is. And I'm sick of trying to sift through all of the incoherent you've been saying since post 1.

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    Prejudice is one thing. Percentages and trends are another.
    They're not mutually exclusive.

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    if we were discussing "The Bell Curve" would you be willing to split the same hair? The intelligence of various racial groups should be empirically verifiable, right?

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    it's an empirical question, right? nothing at all bigoted about it.

    are there measurable differences in human intelligence correlated with race?

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    if we were discussing "The Bell Curve" would you be willing to split the same hair? The intelligence of various racial groups should be empirically verifiable, right?
    I think that's been done already.

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    generalizing about intelligence on the basis of degree of religiosity is not really distinguishable from that

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    I believe a fetus becomes a human when it's brain develops for it to understand that it's alive (self-awareness/perception).
    That rationale appears to balance precariously atop a very slippery slope. I've always believed the strongest pro-abortion argument lies specifically with the rights of the woman to NOT have to carry a parasite, be it human or not.

    I'm against late abortion... everyone is.
    Not adherents to the above logic. Our president, many other politicians, The National Organization for Women included.

    I don't believe in a soul because I understand that the brain is the computer behind everything we perceive.
    How very enlightened of you. What do you propose "Creationists" or "Deists" think the brain is?

    Until the brain can function on a human level, or even a base reptilian level, it does not understand it's existence.
    Is there a measure of human competence equivalent to "Base Reptilian"? I am not aware of it. Fascinating standard you have set, however. What do you think of mean kids who pull tails off of lizards?

    So if we can avoid bringing in a life that has no good base upon which to learn and grow, then it should be aborted before it is alive. Once it is alive, it is murder.
    That slope is covered in greased silicone.

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    IMO, atheist has to stand for the specific individuals who have NO belief whatsoever. Otherwise do we just call those people the non-believers?
    Theism just refers to belief in god/gods, not supers ions, karma, or any other sort of new age-y belief you want to stuff in there.

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    We've met and you are nowhere near 20 feet tall. I cannot prove there is an after life but you cannot prove there isn't one. Simple as that. All this other talk still leads to the same conlusion that there is no proof either way and that is a fact.
    How do you know it was me? How do you know you weren't hallucinating, or that this is all a dream?

    I can't prove there is no afterlife, and I have no problem with people who believe in one. More power to them. But just because one can't disprove the existence of something doesn't justify belief. (ie. invisible pink unicorn/flying spaghetti monster)

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    why do people in the military want so much attention?
    Well played.

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    Well, I'll say this. I believe aborting a human is murder.

    I believe a fetus becomes a human when it's brain develops for it to understand that it's alive (self-awareness/perception).

    A tree does not know that it lives. If you cut into it, it's reacts to pain on a pure reaction level...(cells regrowing... bark and whatnot)... fetus is the same thing. Brain development to self awareness isn't pinpointed, but is at a latter trimester of pregnancy.

    I'm against late abortion... everyone is. I'm against the concept that life starts at conception. I don't believe in a soul because I understand that the brain is the computer behind everything we perceive. Until the brain can function on a human level, or even a base reptilian level, it does not understand it's existence. A human body is a tool to the brain. Everything that makes us individual is in the brain. Heart... dogma based soul... have no real basis.

    So if we can avoid bringing in a life that has no good base upon which to learn and grow, then it should be aborted before it is alive. Once it is alive, it is murder.
    A problem with this definition is that even a baby doesn't have self-recognition for a few months. We'd probably all agree that killing a one-week-old baby is murder though.

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    Atheist's I have no problems with, I do have an issue with people who claim we evolved from a snail.
    You're a moron and disgrace to Latino people everywhere (based on that radio call in). Evolved from a snail? Are you this stupid on that subject?

    Jesus was a great guy, fantastic to admire him. It doesn't mean you have to become a cult like moron.

    Plenty of people still believed in a higher natural or spiritual order and law of things and accept evolution.

    Endogenous retroviruses were planted by the devil obviously.

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    ...and you haven't supported your claim at all. On this thread, there are atheists being assholes (thats me) to christians (thats you) because you bring ignorant viewpoints that impede on the happiness of others without logic.

    Then the christian responds by saying gays and atheists go to and that we know nothing about abortion when we really do...

    You aren't proving . you're proving that you're one step above being mentally re ed.
    are you some special breed of idiot or something? i have proved . i said that athiests are the ones who hate NOT VICE VERSA as the thread suggests, and an athiest AGREED with me. also you admit that the athiests are being assholes. Athiests are the ones here hating bro, get real. And it's pretty typical.
    It really doesn't matter whether any of you guys agree or not. Science isn't exactly a democracy, unless it's corrupted.

    Some Christians and religious people are great to get along with, some aren't. Especially the ones that knock on your door when you're trying to get stuff done. My favorite part is that tell you about the sky wizard loves you, but will punish you for eternity if you do certain things. Sounds like a dysfunctional marriage/

    Same things goes with atheists (not so much agnostics), evolution is not meant to be a subs ute religion. It's meant to be a basis for scientific result. If you take it to the extreme to point out that it says their is no GOD/Sky wizard/etc, which it really doesn't say much about, that may deem you an asshole.

    You can still have a governing law/authority/en y and evolution, but that's too much middle ground for many.

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    I don't hate athiests. I'm not the one going to .
    Bible God apparently hates atheists more than anyone else.

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    by my reading of the OT, worshippers of false gods got it worse

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    You're using the court of law as some basis for metaphysical arguments. I'm just pointing out that it's flawed reasoning because someone else's "negative"
    When these metaphysical arguments enter court rooms is when I have a problem.

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    by my reading of the OT, worshippers of false gods got it worse
    True, they did get it worse in those days.

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    and you are?

    you athiest slingers want it your way or the high way, and if someone else disagrees then they're just ignorant and keeping mankind from progressing

    just admit that you hate religion and get it off your chest.
    I see Jesus using you here to spread the good word.

    Christian accountant boss

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    When these metaphysical arguments enter court rooms is when I have a problem.
    you seem to have a problem with it here, too

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    True, they did get it worse in those days.
    so then, your generalization about "Bible God" hating atheists worst of all was more or less fantasized, wasn't it?

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