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    Despite being the No. 1 seed in the Western Conference last season, the aging San Antonio Spurs were left for dead after their first-round loss to the Memphis Grizzlies. Tim Duncan was too old, Manu Ginobili was too injured and the supporting cast was too weak. After a five-game win streak bookended by victories at the Grizzlies, however, it's looking like it's time to rethink things.

    Here's how the TeamRankings.com future projections see the season turning out for Gregg Popovich's crew:

    Chances of making the playoffs: 98.1 percent
    Chances of winning the Southwest: 76.3
    Chances of making the NBA Finals: 17.0
    Chances of winning the NBA le: 6.0

    As things stand, even with Ginobili's injury, the Spurs don't have terrible odds. Last season the Dallas Mavericks went into the playoffs with roughly a 6 percent chance of winning the le; just because a team isn't a big favorite doesn't mean it can't win it all. If Ginobili can return and then stay healthy, he might be enough to make San Antonio a strong contender.

    Counting on all three Spurs stars to be 100 percent for the playoffs is risky business, however, and even if they are healthy, there are some holes in San Antonio's lineup. Here is a look at those weaknesses and some trades that would improve the Spurs' le odds.

    Weaknesses

    Wing scoring -- Richard Jefferson may be hitting 3s, but he's making barely 40 percent of his 2s and has a player efficiency rating well below the league average. Ginobili's return probably will make a difference, but a little more firepower off the bench still wouldn't hurt.

    Defense from the 4 -- DeJuan Blair is great on the boards, but he's a bit undersized. Matt Bonner is a great shooter, but he's a little slow. Between the two of them, they are allowing opposing power forwards a PER of 17.6 (from 82games.com), a serious weak point for a team currently 13th in overall defensive rating. In their previous four championships, the Spurs were first, second, third and first in defensive rating, so improvement in this area is necessary.

    (In)consistency -- Every season since their last championship in 2007, the Spurs have been in the top 10 in TeamRankings.com's consistency ratings, including being fifth this season. Consistency sounds like a good thing, but for a dark horse contender, it can actually be a detriment to pulling off playoff upsets.

    A great example of why this is can be found with VCU in last year's NCAA tournament -- if you're a wannabe Cinderella, the numbers will tell you that your best strategy is to be a streaky team and just pray that you get hot at the right time. (For more of an explanation, click here.) The Spurs could use a hot-or-cold player who has the chance to catch fire and help deliver a key playoff win over the Oklahoma City Thunder or Miami Heat.

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    Fortunately for Spurs fans, they have a few tradable assets. Blair, Kawhi Leonard, Daniel Green, James Anderson, Gary Neal and Tiago Splitter are all skilled, young players who are expendable given the right deal. Here's a look at three deals that might help Tim Duncan win one for the thumb.

    Bonner, Anderson and a first-round pick to Memphis for O.J. MayoMayo would solve the wing scoring issue for the Spurs, and when Ginobili returns, Mayo would add firepower off the bench. His addition might not help the defense but could turn San Antonio into the league's best offense.

    Mayo also provides the variance that could help the Spurs score an upset in the playoffs. His career high in points, for example, is more than Bonner's and Anderson's combined; when he's hot, the guy goes off. He may keep the ball from Tony Parker and Ginobili more than desired, but that's the risk San Antonio may need to take to win it all.

    Green and Anderson to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Anthony RandolphRandolph doesn't get much playing time behind Kevin Love and Derrick Williams, but he's only 22 and has had a PER over 16 during all four seasons in the league. He blocks shots, rebounds and finishes at the rim. Even if Popovich has to get him to focus on defense, Randolph could cheaply become the power forward of the present and future for a Spurs team that needs a long and athletic player at the 4.

    Bonner, Leonard and Anderson to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Anderson Varejao
    If there's a perfect player to address the Spurs' immediate defensive deficiencies, it's Varejao. His mediocre offense is paired with the length, quickness and intelligence needed to check the elite power forwards out West. That list is long, with LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Zach Randolph, Paul Millsap, and even possibly Love on the horizon as playoff foes. Varejao could be the defensive stopper to follow in Bruce Bowen's footsteps.

    Make no mistake: With the West still looking for a group of strong favorites, a seemingly minor addition to the Spurs, when paired with Ginobili's return from injury, could vault them to the top of the conference. It would still take some luck once the Finals rolled around, but the Spurs' le hopes are more than just a distant dream.

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    As much anticipation as I had when I started to read this passage, the trade scenarios they provided absolutely SUCK!

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    As much anticipation as I had when I started to read this passage, the trade scenarios they provided absolutely SUCK!

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    I don't really mind the trade involving Mayo, if we could throw in RJ instead of Bonner...

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    Leonard should not be traded and I'm gonna lump green in there too...I think he will only get better...bonner/Anderson... Buh-bye
    Last edited by stxspurs; 02-08-2012 at 06:13 PM.

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    I like the Varejo trade if we can remove Leonard and replace it with a 1st round pick.

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    Leonard should not be traded and I'm gonna lump serene in there too...I think he will only get better...bonner/Anderson... Buh-bye
    That's one of the scenarios I hate the worst. Who, in his or her right mind, would suggest the Spurs trade a the team's most promising player (Leonard) halfway through his first season? This makes absolutely no sense.

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    As much anticipation as I had when I started to read this passage, the trade scenarios they provided absolutely SUCK!
    Thanks for posting the insider Senor. And yes their trade scenarios suck. I don't see the wing position as a major problem, rather a manageable weakness. With Leonard, and Green, those two can cover any of RJ's shortcomings. Most of us know that our thin front line is our major problem. We have to hope that the Spurs can somehow get a big by trading Blair and a filler(2nd rounder,cash, etc...), because I don't see the FO using Leonard, or Splitter in any trade.

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    Love how you guys are willing to give up bottom of the barrel talent, but want excellent talent back in return.

    I'd be willing to give up Green/1st round pick (which has extra value cause this draft is stacked), plus some other pieces (Anderson/Bonner/Blair/RJ/Neal) if it meant we got a player, hopefully a big man, who would help us win a championship this year. TBH, I'm pretty shocked that no one mentions the Spurs as a possible Dwight destination, considering we could offer a very enticing package including Tiago/Green/Anderson/Neal/two 1st round picks, and maybe add in RJ and take back Duhon/Hedo.

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    I like the Varejo trade if we can remove Leonard and replace it with a 1st round pick.
    Any other year, I would agree, but because this is suppose to be a deep draft, I don't want the Spurs using this year's 1st rounder in a trade.

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    After some thought and re-reading the scenarios, I do like the thought of the Spurs acquiring Anthony Randolph. Seeing as how he's not playing much for the T-Wolves anyway, that would make a lot of sense and perhaps he could be had.

    What doesn't make sense is weakening the strength of the Spurs team (the wing spot) to facilitate such a trade. You don't give up two players, who play the same position. An Anderson and Blair for Randolph scenario would make much more sense for the Spurs.

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    Thanks for posting the insider Senor. And yes their trade scenarios suck. I don't see the wing position as a major problem, rather a manageable weakness. With Leonard, and Green, those two can cover any of RJ's shortcomings. Most of us know that our thin front line is our major problem. We have to hope that the Spurs can somehow get a big by trading Blair and a filler(2nd rounder,cash, etc...), because I don't see the FO using Leonard, or Splitter in any trade.
    Someone made the point of how bringing in another serviceable big via trade will interfere with the development of Splitter and I feel that's a pretty legit point.

    I'm starting to think that if we did make a trade for a big, it would be best that it wasn't a starting caliber player who would eat up all of Tiago's minutes. (See Chris Kaman.)

    In all honesty I think the Spurs are lacking a 4th scoring option that isn't afraid to step up and take the reins. We all expected this out of RJ but it just simply hasn't worked out. RJ has lacked loads of confidence since becoming a Spur.

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    Thanks for posting the insider Senor. And yes their trade scenarios suck. I don't see the wing position as a major problem, rather a manageable weakness. With Leonard, and Green, those two can cover any of RJ's shortcomings. Most of us know that our thin front line is our major problem. We have to hope that the Spurs can somehow get a big by trading Blair and a filler(2nd rounder,cash, etc...), because I don't see the FO using Leonard, or Splitter in any trade.
    You're welcome, my friend. And YES, you've hit the Spur on the head.

    The wing position is a manageable weakeness on offense, but with Green and Leonard hound the perimeter, that provides an advantage on defense. With RJ almost certainly out the door this summer, the Spurs cannot afford to gut that position too much.

    I agree with your proposal of Blair and filler for a guy like Randolph.

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    Any other year, I would agree, but because this is suppose to be a deep draft, I don't want the Spurs using this year's 1st rounder in a trade.
    If Hollinger's forecast remains true, we would be picking in the 20's. I don't see anyone in that portion of the draft that would be better than the acquisition of Varejo. Plus, removing Bonner from the roster would be addition by subtraction since he is completely unreliable in the playoffs, yet Pop will force feed him minutes till the bitter end.

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    Bonner, Leonard and Anderson to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Anderson Varejao
    If there's a perfect player to address the Spurs' immediate defensive deficiencies, it's Varejao. His mediocre offense is paired with the length, quickness and intelligence needed to check the elite power forwards out West. That list is long, with LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Zach Randolph, Paul Millsap, and even possibly Love on the horizon as playoff foes. Varejao could be the defensive stopper to follow in Bruce Bowen's footsteps.
    I haven't read something quite that stupid in a looooong time.

    Let's trade the guy who is already following in Bowen's steps for a guy who "could".

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    Someone made the point of how bringing in another serviceable big via trade will interfere with the development of Splitter and I feel that's a pretty legit point.

    I'm starting to think that if we did make a trade for a big, it would be best that it wasn't a starting caliber player who would eat up all of Tiago's minutes. (See Chris Kaman.)

    In all honesty I think the Spurs are lacking a 4th scoring option that isn't afraid to step up and take the reins. We all expected this out of RJ but it just simply hasn't worked out. RJ has lacked loads of confidence since becoming a Spur.
    Imo, Neal is a 4th option.

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    I'd rather try to keep some of those pieces to trade up later. I wouldn't give up Leonard or a first rounder unless it was for two years from now or something.

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    If Hollinger's forecast remains true, we would be picking in the 20's. I don't see anyone in that portion of the draft that would be better than the acquisition of Varejo. Plus, removing Bonner from the roster would be addition by subtraction since he is completely unreliable in the playoffs, yet Pop will force feed him minutes till the bitter end.
    Bonners not going anywhere. Blair would be the guy getting shipped out imo. I like Varejao. He would be the perfect addition, I just don't want the Spurs giving up their 1st rounder for him.

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    Those are some funny trades.

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    Players realistically on the block: RJ, Anderson and maybe Blair. I'd be surprised to see the FO trade anybody else.

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    Those are some funny trades.
    Smh, and to think they want people to actually pay for it.

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    Imo, Neal is a 4th option.
    Neal's a great shooter, one of the best in the league, IMO - but Neil's not versatile enough to step up and drop 30 if he wanted to. I guess that's my definition of a "scoring option."

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    trade1: fair deal for both sides...but we just can't trade big for small and loose our only stretch-4 just to get a player that is somewhat redundant with Manu/Green

    trade2: I like it very much, as Randolph gives us many new lineup opportunities...I know, most of us fell in love with Green, but I'd like Randolph more (and Anderson nearly got cut and is a zero value throw in)...not sure MIN really does it

    trade3: don't see us trading Leonard...wouldn't even think straight up for Sideshow...Leonard is the lockdownwing, we where searching so badly since Bowens retirement.

    overall maybe not great trade ideas, but better than most stupid stuff you can find on several random boards with trade-machine-happy guys.

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    The Randolph deal almost makes sense for the Spurs -- not so much the Wolves.

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