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there's a more obvious answer. time passed, people changed.
this isn't hard, but I can see you're having some difficulty following the conversation. you drinkin already?
From the beginning of the Torah. The word used for God is plural. the word used for create is formed. For all we know ET's could have terraformed Earth.
there's a more obvious answer. time passed, people changed.
this isn't hard, but I can see you're having some difficulty following the conversation. you drinkin already?
Show me where I'm wrong then. Besides, back up what? You ask where believers of other Gods go. I have never seen where that is addressed. Show me.
drunk with anger and resentment?
Ironic that he's exhibiting the same sort of resentment towards christians that christianity, as an ideology, exhibits.
/Nietzsche.
Look up the word "faith."
Plus, if I remember correctly, it took several people (5?) to translate the old scriptures into the King James Bible. Bound to seem like 5 different Gods.
Blake hates the sinner and the sin. (The sin being in this case, Christianity)
^^ actually, seems like some lazy nihilism to me.
seems more like a drunken pout to me but the two aren't mutually exclusive
Winehole did, I followed the thread from there.
Why is God having us go through life on Earth, rather than just putting us in Heaven?
So we could exercise free will; If you love something, set it free; kind of idea.
But, honestly, I struggle with that mightily. Why does he "need" us when he is omnipotent, etc., etc... Very tough to answer that.
You didn't answer the question.
Clearly you'd rather about how mean I am to dem Christians.
I'm not sure I know what was designed for.
Do you? Again, some citations would be nice.
The implication of that being that free will is lost once you get to heaven.
Possibly. Or irrelevant.
For example: While being serviced, I retain the entirety of my free will, but inevitably my free will convinces me to continue doing exactly what it is I am doing.
Hey, an honest answer!
Thanks to John 3:16, the others mentioned here can still get into heaven.Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Unbelievers have it the worst.
...new testament speaking
I forget my chronology, but isn't that passage speaking about after the rapture?
Keep in mind, our normal death, and the end days, are not the same thing. By the time of the rapture, time is up for our souls to decide their path.
you could also say liars have it the worst, or murderers, but this is a quibble.Hey, an honest answer!
Thanks to John 3:16, the others mentioned here can still get into heaven.
Unbelievers have it the worst.
...new testament speaking
do you feel you've been unfairly deprived of your chances in the afterlife by Christian doctrine?
Religious zealots and militant athiests both share a false sense of superiority -- I hate both groups.
In Christianity the whole connection to divinity is through belief. Of course the importance of belief and the dangers of unbelief are going to be stressed. Semitic monotheism wasn't designed for modern, secular societies. I get it that people think its outmoded and dislike it.
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Perhaps precisely because you share the specified fault. Pots jeering at kettles and so forth.
So wait, there's no free will in Heaven?
Funny you brought that up, because I think that is a fun line to explore when it comes to "free will". If God sets up something so that the choice you make would be known in advance, is it still free will? No clear-cut answer on that question, obviously.
Here's the kicker though... what if God told you, "Hey, here's the plan, next week, you'll go out and get a coffee, then meet up with your wife and have some great sex."
Now, if you didn't know about that in advance, you might have done it already of your own free will, no harm, no foul. But now that you know about it in advance, will you still freely choose the same actions, knowing they will occur? Or will you try to do something else?
I think there is a lack of "authenticity" to the idea of free will that you stated, for lack of a better word.
An analogy: Picture two universes. In this one, your wife and you live happily ever after for 50 years. In the other universe, your wife and you live happily ever after for 50 years as well, but she cheated on you once or twice without your knowledge.
In both cases, you would be equally as happy. But in the other universe, your happiness may not be as "authentic", because you are missing some key information.
What I want to know is how Christians pick and choose what tenants of Timothy, Romans, Leviticus and Deuteronomy to follow.
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