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    Megaupload was clearly more de able than Gitmo.....

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    you agree both are de able?


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    No. I'm just speaking on lip service, but anything to make you feel accomplished. I guess, dot dot dot

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    you seem to have some trouble saying what you really mean, but that's nothing new

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    Megaupload was clearly more de able than Gitmo.....
    lol

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    you saw the vote totals...still blaming it on the Repugs? They don't push the buttons for Dems on votes...
    This is a republic. There is simply no political will from the people to close GITMO on Congress, on a side note, at least your not blaming Obama anymore...

    like it or not, you are part of the minority on this issue...

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    This was Dubya's mess, and like all his messes, he and the do-nothing GOP Congress, dumped it at the feet of the Obama administration..

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    This was Dubya's mess, and like all his messes, he and the do-nothing GOP Congress, dumped it at the feet of the Obama administration..
    And Obama's poor leadership has normalized the mess and led us deeper into darkness.

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    Since lib s have no better solutions, they realize they have to keep Gitmo in use. To0o bad they are too stupid to know they are stupid.

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    This is a republic. There is simply no political will from the people to close GITMO on Congress, on a side note, at least your not blaming Obama anymore...

    like it or not, you are part of the minority on this issue...
    In order for political will to be meaningful you need parties that will truly be representative and compete for your votes. They both collude on certain issues and apparently 'national security' is one of those things. Banking regulation is another.

    There was a load of political will in the 2008 election and political theory should have demonstrated a landslide of that nature giving a mandate. What happened? Nothing.

    If you haven't been paying attention the biggest complaint about Obama is that he has not done what he says that he would do. Its a very valid point.

    This 'Republic' is not representative of a damn thing anymore.

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    False equivalence, getting stuck with the momentum of maintaining/terminating dubya's in the face of Repug obstructionsism is not at all the same as dubya's responsibility for starting the of Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan.

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    too bad Obama and the Dems are too gutless to stand up to them. it's hilarious that you blame the GOP for the Dems' lack of testicular for ude.

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    lol momentum. What a crock. The republicans pretty much got thrown out on the street unilaterally in 2008, yet the democrats and their huge congressional majorities were powerless to stop "republican momentum"? Please.

    It's not just Gitmo. It's the Bush tax cuts, the Patriot Act, bailouts, and a whole slew of other Bush initiatives that democrats continue to support today. The evidence is pretty clear picture that for the most part democrats liked Bush's policies. They just didn't like that they were coming from Bush. As always, democrats = republicans.

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    momentum in the Senate is Repugs holding them Dems from getting 60 seats, pretty damn easy. The Dems have never had 60 in Senate under Obama

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    Or, Obama basically agrees with Bush's national security and foreign policy, only pretended to disagree in 2008, and continues to normalize his radical abridgements of due process even now. The GOP didn't force Obama to sign the NDAA, or his DOJ to exercise prior restraint on the internet.

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    Bush never had 60 republicans in the senate. Not that he needed them though since the democrats pretty much went along with whatever bush wanted.........

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    Good grief. We're still stuck on "Bush did it"?


    "He did it first!" was weaksauce on the schoolyard playground. Now it's the board progressive battle cry.

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    like it or not, you are part of the minority on this issue...
    So what? Nothing dishonorable about that, and swimming with crowd doesn't guarantee that one's viewpoint is meritorious, only that it is popular.

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    can't really expect hypocrites to own it. defeats the whole purpose: seeming to be what you aren't.

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    And Obama's poor leadership has normalized the mess and led us deeper into darkness.
    Deeper in darkness

    put down the pipe....

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    In order for political will to be meaningful you need parties that will truly be representative and compete for your votes. They both collude on certain issues and apparently 'national security' is one of those things. Banking regulation is another.

    There was a load of political will in the 2008 election and political theory should have demonstrated a landslide of that nature giving a mandate. What happened? Nothing.

    What happened is that Gitmo became a prison for enemy combatants and not the torturous, murdering rape room it was under the Bush administration...big difference...

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    If you haven't been paying attention the biggest complaint about Obama is that he has not done what he says that he would do. Its a very valid point.

    Wing nut spin....Obama has accomplished more of his campaign promises in his first term than any other President in modern history.....

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    Or, Obama basically agrees with Bush's national security and foreign policy, only pretended to disagree in 2008, and continues to normalize his radical abridgements of due process even now. The GOP didn't force Obama to sign the NDAA, or his DOJ to exercise prior restraint on the internet.


    The bush administration and the do-nothing GOP congress were raping kids and killing innocent Iraqi and Afghan citizens and your biggest complaint about Obama is that he closed down Mega-upload.....nice..

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