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    Even with Dirk being out of shape, Lamar Odom being emo, Kidd being dead, their production out of the center position sucking and a 1-4 start, Dallas is 4th in the West and is the best defensive team in the West so far this year.

    If Dirk returns to form, and they can get better production out of Kidd/Odom/Haywood, they're the favorite to win the West imo.
    They might not be getting great numbers, but they are definitely getting what they need out of the trio of Haywood/Mahinmi/Wright.

    I think Haywood has really been overlooked in the defensive presence he brings in the middle. He's not flashy but he definitely gets the job done, and it's been a big reason why the Mavs have been so strong defensively, and are still in good playoff position.

    He isn't as good of a total team defender as Chandler, but IMO, he is a superior individual defender to Chandler.

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    Lamar had a good game last night tbh and the last week he has looked more comfortable. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come

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    I haven't watched that much of them this year but I thought losing Chandler would bring their defense down a lot so it would make sense if Haywood/Mahinmi are better than people act. IMO it was still a good decision to let him leave because of the flexibility it gives them going forward, granted he's making a Mike D'antoni team play defense better than anyone thought it could.

    The lack of great defensive teams in the West helps Dallas the most imo.

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    The lack of great defensive teams in the West helps Dallas the most imo.
    Yeah, defense is definitely not common these days among most Western conference teams.

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    We better ship Odom's ass out asap...he's just ing terrible.

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    Sounds like Mavs are much more open to trade Roddy now...

    As for Odom, as much as he has pissed us all off, I have a feeling come playoff time, he's going to take it up another notch or two, and Mavs fans will have a different view of him.

    You can tell though, that the perimeter defense has suffered since West has gone out. I think if the Mavs have West, they beat the Knicks and Lin has a substantially tougher time creating in that game. West is going to be very important for a deep playoff run, as he is capable of guarding all kinds of guards, whether its Raymond Felton, Russell Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade... he is not scared of any of them, has the lateral quickness and tenacity to stay at home with them, and is tough/physical.

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    Also, Steven A Smith yesterday or today pretty much stated what most of us already knew, that if the Nets don't get Dwight, then Deron is virtually a lock to come to Dallas.

    Still has to make you wonder if Dallas getting Deron will result in Dwight being a lock to come to Dallas...

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    Also, Steven A Smith yesterday or today pretty much stated what most of us already knew, that if the Nets don't get Dwight, then Deron is virtually a lock to come to Dallas.

    Still has to make you wonder if Dallas getting Deron will result in Dwight being a lock to come to Dallas...

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    Getting Deron Williams, could potentially add another 2-3 years of effective play to Dirk's career. His ability to run the pick and roll/pop, and score on his own (unlike Kidd) will create all kinds of open looks for Dirk, and he will be able to get shots like he did back when he played with Nash.

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    He isn't as good of a total team defender as Chandler, but IMO, he is a superior individual defender to Chandler.
    As much as i intended to crofl at this for being re ed and throw a pickle at you I actually think you might be right

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    He ain't quite the team defender Chandler is but it isn't like there's a huge gap either, he's easily the 2nd best interior defender in the league and a nice consolation prize. Not to mention he would solve our rebounding problems. Deron + Dwight + Dirk = multiple more rings. Don't forget that Brandon Wright will probably be a solid rotation player for years to come, and maybe roddy or jones will pan out yet. Delonte ain't old either tbh.

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    As much as i intended to crofl at this for being re ed and throw a pickle at you I actually think you might be right
    Haywood can play great one-on-one defense actually. I believe Dwight Howard actually named him one of the 3 best defenders in the league a couple years ago. He can be lazy at times, especially on boxing out and on help defense, but when he plays motivated, he is as good defensively as any center in the league. I recall when the Mavs first got him, in a game against Phoenix he actually played suprisingly good defense on Steve Nash when getting switched on PnRs, blocking a couple of his jumpshots, and not letting Nash beat him with his footwork.

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    he still looks pretty lost out there, imo.

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    he still looks pretty lost out there, imo.
    Yet the Mavs are arguably the best defensive team in the NBA. Considering how much defense relies on your big man, I hope he continues being as lost as you suggest.

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    good. we understand each other.

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    Roddy is on the block?

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    I think Spurs and Memphis would be the worst matchups for Dallas this season. Not saying they couldn't beat either in a series, but it'd be tough.

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    Roddy is on the block?
    Supposedly. That's the rumors.

    I think Spurs and Memphis would be the worst matchups for Dallas this season. Not saying they couldn't beat either in a series, but it'd be tough.
    Possibly. Neither really are that intimidating in a 7 game series, IMO. Spurs have to have extremely hot 3 point shooting to win a series against Dallas though. Really, if their 3's aren't falling against most any team, they are toast.

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    Don't agree with that. With Tiago on the bench spur always have a legit post scorer in the game. They do rely on threes still but not as much.

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    I am actually afraid of the Grizzlies. They probably might not beat the Lakers, but that size up front would wear down Dirk during a series.

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    Tbh big game tonight. Curious to see how lakers react after their players only meeting. Hopefully this time we don't get raped by Fish and suck offensively.

    Still think we need a bigger shot blocking backup center. Wright is too small and Mahinmi has come down to earth.

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    Don't agree with that. With Tiago on the bench spur always have a legit post scorer in the game. They do rely on threes still but not as much.
    I don't think Tiago is a guy that can be truly reliable consistently come playoff time. If the Spurs want to beat more than one of the elite teams in playoff series (which would be required to win a le), they will need their 3s to fall. They might be able to beat one, MAYBE two elite teams, but I don't think they can last for 4 playoff series.

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    Does Deron Williams leave NJ this summer?
    Chad FordLuck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_(1:22 PM)

    Probably. The only scenario where he doesn't is if the Nets swing a deal for Dwight Howard at the trade deadline. At that point, I think Williams hangs around. If that doesn't happen, I think Williams will join Dwight Howard (assuming he's not traded to the Lakers in March) in Dallas next summer. Lots of signals pointing to this being the preferred outcome for both players.
    Something of note for Mav fans

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    Something of note for Mav fans
    Well, we certainly hope that will come true... I'm pretty confident in D-Will coming here. Dwight I have no idea what to expect though...

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    I think if Deron comes here, Dwight probably will too. Going to play with your friends is all the rage these days ever since the trio did it, now everyone else is forced to counter if they want to win.

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