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As a GM, you go with the probabilities. There is maybe a 10% chance that RG3 may end up being the better player, but nobody's going to take that gamble. Luck is the safe choice.
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Do you think he's going to be better than Colt McCoy, DD?
Because that's all I'm concerned about.
As a GM, you go with the probabilities. There is maybe a 10% chance that RG3 may end up being the better player, but nobody's going to take that gamble. Luck is the safe choice.
I have a hard time seeing any young QB successful in Cleveland when their receivers are THAT bad. I agree Colt McCoy sucks and should be cut but I wouldn't expect Griffin or Luck for that matter to do anything to turn Cleveland around when Greg Little is their #1 receiver.
So he's undersized, can run fast and jump high.
Three extremely important qualities an NFL QB should possess tbh
Last edited by Blake; 02-27-2012 at 10:11 AM.
He could be, but is it worth trading all those picks to get another Big 12 QB who isn't NFL-ready? Don't forget, the brothas don't fare too well in cold weather either.
The Branch Dividian simply doesn't get it. Wtf does running a fast 40 time have to do with playing the QB position?
Gotta agree with this too, JT. Although I think Greg Little has a lot of promise, he's no #1 WR option by a longshot at this point, and Massaquoi and Cribbs aren't either. They're also hurting at RB. Hillis is their best option and he's an injury-prone diva. Hardesty and Ogbonononononononayaya just plain suck.
Don't get me wrong, McCoy sucks too...but RG3 is not going to overcome this team's plethora of holes.
Or respect someone who quit in the national ing championship to go play catch with daddeh McCoy
bottom line, best young qb in the league, Cammy Cam "i fcked ya girl" Newton and the best qb in the draft RG3 Aka "the white girls love me" Aka 'black drew brees' Aka " Please" Robert Griffin. We taken over the qb position baby!
He looks like a little kid, too.
You look at the Steelers, they've got this 6'5" horse who's shucking defensive linemen and throwing ropes fifty yards down the field, and meanwhile we've got this little shrimp who looks like the kid from "Malcolm in the Middle."
I hear you guys, but at some point you've got to address the QB position regardless of the other holes.
Keep waiting and best case you end up as the '90s Steelers- talent all over the field but they can't win the big one because they're trotting out dogmeat like Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox.
Our receivers do blow, no question about that.
But the QB problem to be addressed isn't the QB position. The best left tackle in the game can't protect a QB who has to stand there for 15 seconds waiting for one of his scrubs to get open. Griffin won't solve that problem. Luck won't solve that problem. Yeah, Griffin will run, and yeah he's fast and he's courageous, and yeah, he'll get pummeled half to to death before the bye week. Historically, it's not that black QBs don't succeed, it's that run-first QBs don't succeed. Cleveland's receivers will make him a run-for-your- ing-life QB.
my boy, elprez, who is a browns fan explains it well.
Not undersized, which was my point. You make it seem as if he's a midget. You also neglected to mention he's not a mental midget; very charismatic and well-spoken, which are important leadership traits.
Slightly under average is still technically undersized.
I think it's stupid to burn a first round pick on an undersized qb.
Wtf why should I mention that?You also neglected to mention he's not a mental midget; very charismatic and well-spoken, which are important leadership traits.
I don't give a if he's smarter than Stephen ing Hawking.
Rofl myopic Baylor nut
I hope RGIII goes to Washington. That'll make a sick Madden team
Then they can get the damned receivers later. It's a lot tougher to find a good quarterback than it is to find good receivers. What's the highest round any of Aaron Rodgers's receivers was picked in? Third, in the case of Greg Jennings?
Just get the quarterback. Worry about the rest later.
When you have a top 5 pick every year (not trying to be a just stating reality for Cleveland) then they can have an RG3 type QB every year. It's not like RG3 is some can't miss QB prospect. There are QBs with his potential in the draft every year.
Greg Jennings was a 2nd rounder iirc
This is a good point tbh
If you're Cleveland you have just as good a chance as RGIII panning out as some middle of the round QB like Jake Locker/Christian Ponder next season.
With the amount of gaps this team has I think they should use it on a skill player who's more likely to succeed
I think they should make a safe pick or trade down. Nothing is fixing that team overnight.
IMO it was a mistake for them to fire Mangina.
Are NFL per. and draft experts over-hyping RGIII? I was looking at one of Mel Kiper's mock drafts, and based on Kiper's take, RGIII seems like a can't miss prospect. This mock draft from Kiper was dated Jan. 18, 2012:
"Griffin made big strides this past season, particularly with his deep accuracy. He is a big-time athlete at the quarterback position but has developed a very good pocket presence and the ability to read the game, and his big arm comes with a nice touch on intermediate throws. He is a leader and has intangibles that should really impress evaluators during the draft process".
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ock-draft-year
Last edited by jjktkk; 02-28-2012 at 02:42 AM.
a.) They've tried to make it work with one dog , noodle-armed, middle-round QB after another over the last decade (Luke McCown, Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy) and it hasn't worked. QB is a premium position and you have to pay a premium price for one. Rummaging through the bargain bin has gotten them nowhere.
On a personal level, if I have to watch one more low-upside scrub withheart
b.) The biggest gap is at QB. In today's NFL if you don't have one you don't have anything. DoK, the Cardinals went from Kurt Warner to Derek Anderson with roughly the same level of supporting-cast talent. Was there a difference in results or not?
c.) Holmgren can't afford to waste another season with the likes of McCoy. He's 9-23 in two years, 1-11 in the division, and he has the most knee-jerk owner in the league at his back. I honestly don't know if he'll survive another 4-12 season with no solution at QB.
d.) There is no non-QB skill player worth taking in the top five. Not Justin Blackmon. Draft him to play here and keep the QB and he'll average about eight yards per catch and all the fans will be screaming that
I'm not saying RGIII is the alpha and omega of QB prospects but at some point the position needs to be addressed in a serious way. This is as good a year as any.
IMO they can suck for 1 more year and then draft a white QB who actually has a chance at winning a superbowl (like Barkley).
RG3 would suck in Cleveland. IMO this pick should be for a difference maker for them on defense. There's no reason to think RG3 will be any more successful than other black Big 12 QBs.
Umm....I guess you don't pay attention. Where in my post did I talk about only race? I said you're basing one player off of others. That means race, conference, style..everything. Say what you want about RG3, but the facts are you have no ing clue what's going to happen in his NFL career, just like I don't. I'm just saying I think he's got a shot.
Barkley is likely to be the #1-rated QB in next year's draft class. He isn't a box of cereal, he won't just be sitting on the shelf available for anyone who wants him.
FWIW, if you want to talk about the bust rate of Big 12 quarterbacks, we can also talk about the bust rate of USC quarterbacks. Aside from Carson Palmer, what USC quarterback has done anything in the NFL?
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