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    OP is basing too much on sentimentality. Also do we need to post your quotes on Pop going senile? Yet you'd continue to hand him the keys? You take the keys away from senile/obstinate Gramps, not hand them to him.
    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...hlight=Celtics

    Another Spurs championship without one of the Big 3 would have/would now go over just fine.
    Prolly much too late now to trade any of them for much, excepting Parker.

    Would OKC have gone for a GNob or Parker for 2nd overall pick (turned out to be Durant)? OKCs front office is so much smarter then Spurs 2008-current front office but still, i think they would have considered it.
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    is dwight howard a FA this year?

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    So you let Duncan walk if he wants more than $8M to stay?.
    So he's worth DRob money ($10m/2yrs) and we can only afford $8m in order to still have capspace for some RFA. Isn't this the Dice/Bowen scenario where you agree the total $$$'s and give it over 3 years with a partial guarantee. So $8m per for 3 years with the last year 50% guaranteed. No need to shortchange Timmy.

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    If they traded Manu and Tony three years ago, it's highly unlikely they would have gotten a return that was even equal to what Manu and Tony have been worth over the last three years ... much less exceeding that level of play.

    And either way, the Spurs would still be dealing with a declining Tim Duncan, which is 99% of the reason why a rebuild is necessary.
    Says who?
    Parker or GNob for #2 overall (Durant) in summer 2007?

    Would historically greedy-dumbass Clippers have gone for Parker for Blake Griffin in summer 2010?

    Lots of possibilities.....

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    Says who?
    Parker or GNob for #2 overall (Durant) in summer 2007?

    Would historically greedy-dumbass Clippers have gone for Parker for Blake Griffin in summer 2010?

    Lots of possibilities.....
    Really? I mean REALLY?

    You're prob trolling, cause no one who's got enough brains to turn on a computer could be that dumb... but then you have your posting history, so yea...

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    Parker or Ginobili for Kevin Durant or Blake Griffin? I've heard it all now, tbh.





    Some Spurs fans are in for a painful reality when it's time for actual rebuilding. No, other teams don't hand over superstars. No, you don't simply tank and two or three later magically reappear ready to take on the world.

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    If the Spurs trade away Manu for equal or lesser likely value, the Spurs will lose the money people want them to spend in the future. Gotta pay him and Duncan until they don't want to play in the NBA anymore. Try to end their careers with unguaranteed deals for the years they retire so they could take on some contracts in trade.

    Parker? I guess if you can find a great small for big trade he could be dealt -- or maybe some deal with multiple picks. But again you have the problem of cash flow in the meantime. After Manu and Duncan are gone, Parker is the only marquee player you can count on, and to some extent that means revenue. Fickle ass spurfan won't pay to see a struggling team of nobodies; they'll probably pay a little more to watch a struggling team of nobodies with at least one connection to the glory days.

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    Parker or Ginobili for Kevin Durant or Blake Griffin? I've heard it all now, tbh.





    Some Spurs fans are in for a painful reality when it's time for actual rebuilding. No, other teams don't hand over superstars. No, you don't simply tank and two or three later magically reappear ready to take on the world.
    You can both keep hiding and twisting what i actually posted but in summer 2007 i am saying OKC might have went for Finals MVP Parker for #2. Which turned out to be Durant.

    You clowns are saying no way would OKC have considered Finals MVP Parker for the #2 yet-as-chosen pick. I'm calling bull .

    2010 Parker or GNob for the Clips pick. Even Parker and GNob. Yeah that's a hard sell for even the Clips, who seemed to have wised up by 2010.

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    You can both keep hiding and twisting what i actually posted but in summer 2007 i am saying OKC might have went for Finals MVP Parker for #2. Which turned out to be Durant.

    You clowns are saying no way would OKC have considered Finals MVP Parker for the #2 yet-as-chosen pick. I'm calling bull .
    Seeing as the top two choices in that draft were projected solidly as franchise players, it's difficult to believe they would give up that opportunity for Parker.

    Cue nicknames.

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    IMHO, I don't see any way the Spurs get bounced early this year. Yeah, call me a homer and bring up last season, and I honestly don't have an answer to either. But this team just has that feel to it, at least, thus far and if healthy, that says "We can compete against anybody." That was distinctly lacking vs MEM, especially from Tony Parker.

    And Spurs have only gotten better since last season anyway, considering Tiago's insurgence, Kawhi's obvious skill and potential, Green's sudden impact on both ends which helped soothe the GHill transition, and Neal's continuing expansion of his game.

    Additionally, if by some miracle Ginobili is 95% healthy ...
    The Spurs had that same feel this time last season. I don't care at all how this team starts; how it finishes is what matters.

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    So you have 3 picks in the 8th - 14th range from the last 3 drafts. Which players do you choose to contend with?
    Vander I would still like you to answer this excellent question from BG Spurs Fan

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    Seeing as the top two choices in that draft were projected solidly as franchise players, it's difficult to believe they would give up that opportunity for Parker.

    Cue nicknames.
    Yea Oden and Durant were both considered cant miss franchise guys, didnt work out that way but I dont see how, at the time, a team gives up the guarantee of adding one of those two for Parker

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    Does San Antonio really survive a scorched earth scenario, though? Spurs fans have become so spoiled that if you go from championship contender today to 15-win team tomorrow, you could disenfranchise the fanbase. Spurs fans wouldn't understand and the AT&T Center would be empty until the Spurs are a playoff team again ... and that could take a long, long time.

    The Bulls could survive scorched earth because of their market size and huge fanbase. If you scorch earth the Spurs, you could inadvertently start a chain of events that has the team leaving the city in the next 10-15 years, tbh.



    P.S.

    And Presti ended up trading Ray Allen for what turned out to be Kendrick Perkins. Not exactly a model I'd want the FO to follow if they are going to trade TP...
    No guarantee on draft picks, as Green was a bust. Still, Presti has done really well with picks outside of the obvious Durant choice. When you look at RC's track record in the draft, I think it's a huge compe ive advantage for the Spurs to build a good team again in the same mold.

    There's no doubt the fans will stop coming for a 20 win team. But I think they'll also stop coming for a 38-42 win team too.

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    Yea Oden and Durant were both considered cant miss franchise guys, didnt work out that way but I dont see how, at the time, a team gives up the guarantee of adding one of those two for Parker
    Were I OKC i would not have either.
    Was just giving those as for-instance possibilities.

    Got to believe some team would have given some good-great young potential for Parker in summer 2007.

    Or a solid big. Would the Lakers have gone Bynum for Parker in summer 2007? Probably not as they always know a scam is forthcoming and indeed rode the Kwame for Gasol WWE move. Still, just saying they may well have considered Parker for Bynum in summer 2007.

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    Were I OKC i would not have either.

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    Parker for Bynum would have been an awful trade in 2007.

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    At the rate he's going he'll soon be at 2007 Parker for the corpse of Darius Miles

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    Parker for Eddie Griffin?

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    Fabbs just posting what we expect him to post...

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    Were I OKC i would not have either.
    Was just giving those as for-instance possibilities.

    Got to believe some team would have given some good-great young potential for Parker in summer 2007.

    Or a solid big. Would the Lakers have gone Bynum for Parker in summer 2007? Probably not as they always know a scam is forthcoming and indeed rode the Kwame for Gasol WWE move. Still, just saying they may well have considered Parker for Bynum in summer 2007.
    Yea it is interesting to think about. Parker is proving to be invaluable on our squad this year though, and I'm glad we have kept him thus far and hope we always do. His scoring and playmaking has been essential, even more so with Manu's absence.


    Honestly I like Timvp's ideas and think this is the route the FO both should and will take. I reeeally like Splitter's upside if he ever gets the minutes and role he should, even at his age, and I think Parker will transition into old age better than similar players in the past, largely because he has always been an unbelievable below the rim talent, and that bag of tricks wont dry up just because he loses some of his speed and quickness. His playmaking and passing also appears to be getting better with age.

    Personally I wanna go all out after Hibbert; young, first time all star this season who I believe is going to continue to improve a whole lot. Just look at how much he has since he was a rookie already. With Hibbert coming in as the young Duncan to Timmy's wise D-Rob I really think he could excel. That would leave us with a starting unit of Hibbert-Splitter-Kawhi-Green-Parker and Neal as the sixth man going forward along with Blair and maybe CJ. The role most needed after that would be an athletic young starting two guard with upside in lieu of Green who can D up some and score a good deal. Anderson was supposed to be that guy, looks like the FO will have to take another shot in the draft at one...if we solve our big man problems in FA with Hibbert.

    Batum could be a good Plan B; I like his game a lot but the presence of Kawhi makes him somewhat redundant. Kawhi can play the 2 as we have seen though..
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    Parker for Bynum would have been an awful trade in 2007.
    yeah Timmy Dunks around a frontline cast of Mic e Finley, Bonner and Soft has been soo much better.

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    Fabbs just posting what we expect him to post...
    Formulas for continued championships, thank you.

    The PollyAnna Poppers just respondin like 'washed Talibans as expected.

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    Formulas for continued championships, thank you.
    True, the Lakers would still be riding an unbroken string of championships with Parker.

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    Fabbs just posting what we expect him to post...
    If TJastal starts with his takes and we get all three(vander) in the same thread the forum might crash.

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    yeah Timmy Dunks around a frontline cast of Mic e Finley, Bonner and Soft has been soo much better.
    With glass-knee Bynum that would have still been the frontline, except now you also wouldn't have a point guard.

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