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    Your short term gain does not make up for the longer term losses, and are probably because of crackdowns on illegal file sharing.
    Or maybe they are because they finally stopped fighting the inevitable and embraced the digital future...

    Anyway, that's beside the point, the reason Courtney didn't mind if the songs are being given away for free is because she wasn't getting anything from sales anyhow, so to her it was just a free promotion (like radio).

    The question we must ask our selfs is not "Does piracy hurt the recording industry?" but "Does piracy hurt the artist?". The RIAA would have you believe they are one and the same, but nothing could be further from the truth. And i think the answer is closer to the "no" then "yes" on that question. And regardless of the actual answer (though no makes it a no brainer): Do we stop progress to rescue a dying industry?

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    They have been doing digital sales for some time now. Where have you been?

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    They have been doing digital sales for some time now. Where have you been?
    In a country most digital stores refuse to sell to (i hear apple started selling music to us last autumn). But it's ok, we have cheap broadband and lots of seeders.

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    Your short term gain does not make up for the longer term losses, and are probably because of crackdowns on illegal file sharing.
    And why are they en led to make up for anything? It's a business. Sometimes they lose money sometimes they don't. It's not like they've undergone massive changes in both delivery and consumption of their goods.

    BTW, no big label has actually 'lost' money through this. If anything their revenue has simply decreased due to mostly people shifting to a different format and them being slow to deliver. Digital sales represent 50% of their sales these days.

    As I pointed out, it's readily apparent they can improve music sales despite the rampant piracy. Maybe Love knew what she was talking about after all.

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    And why are they en led to make up for anything? It's a business. Sometimes they lose money sometimes they don't. It's not like they've undergone massive changes in both delivery and consumption of their goods.

    BTW, no big label has actually 'lost' money through this. If anything their revenue has simply decreased due to mostly people shifting to a different format and them being slow to deliver. Digital sales represent 50% of their sales these days.

    As I pointed out, it's readily apparent they can improve music sales despite the rampant piracy. Maybe Love knew what she was talking about after all.
    The business is being lost to piracy. I guess you agree with piracy.

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    The business is being lost to piracy. I guess you agree with piracy.
    Business is lost to a plethora of factors, which might include piracy, but isn't necessarily the sole factor. As seen, the industry can actually grow its revenues despite the piracy...

    I'm for artists getting their dues and consumers getting good value. You'll find no sympathy from me for the middle-man.

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    You should ask her... Maybe she knows a thing or two about the business that you don't...
    I have no vested interest in it other than curiosity.

    Maybe record companies should ask her...maybe she knows a thing or two about the business that they don't.

    Smh

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    I have no vested interest in it other than curiosity.

    Maybe record companies should ask her...maybe she knows a thing or two about the business that they don't.

    Smh
    Apparently record companies are starting to get a clue and seemingly are doing ok without her advice. And with piracy.

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    Business is lost to a plethora of factors, which might include piracy, but isn't necessarily the sole factor. As seen, the industry can actually grow its revenues despite the piracy...

    I'm for artists getting their dues and consumers getting good value. You'll find no sympathy from me for the middle-man.
    I have sympathy for victims of piracy. I think it's a shame more people don't.

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    Apparently record companies are starting to get a clue and seemingly are doing ok without her advice. And with piracy.
    yeah, I didn't really think Love was on to anything that the record companies didn't already look into.

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    yeah, I didn't really think Love was on to anything that the record companies didn't already look into.
    She apparently was spot on well before companies caught up to it...

    Maybe it was just luck.

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    One day you will pay for the music stored in your mind.

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    What punishment would there be if the bread was cloned? Heck, I could clone a million loaves of bread and cart them out of the store.

    /thread

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    She apparently was spot on well before companies caught up to it...

    Maybe it was just luck.
    She was complaining more about the companies abusing and underpaying the artists.....but even so:

    ...This is my “funny” math based on some reality and I just want to qualify it by saying I’m positive it’s better math than what Edgar Bronfman Jr. [the president and CEO of Seagram, which owns Polygram] would provide......
    rofl funny math

    Just curious, what company out there has caught up to and embraced the idea that illegal downloading actually creates more music sales?

    Is there some actual do entation that supports this?

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    One day you will pay for the music stored in your mind.
    doubtful

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    The question we must ask our selfs is not "Does piracy hurt the recording industry?" but "Does piracy hurt the artist?".
    And a sub-question should be "Does it hurt the art?"

    If piracy hurts the industry dinosaurs and the middlemen who still think payola, focus groups, and force-feeding stores, radio stations and concert festivals the work of artists on their payroll, good. Their way of business cannot disappear fast enough. Music has been exponentially better since technology advanced to the point where artists can record, release and distribute their work ont heir own. And those artists don't care if someone hears their music for free before they buy it.

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    She was complaining more about the companies abusing and underpaying the artists.....but even so:

    rofl funny math

    Just curious, what company out there has caught up to and embraced the idea that illegal downloading actually creates more music sales?

    Is there some actual do entation that supports this?
    Well, we know music sales increased. Since you're curious you should be able to do the research on illegal downloading having a promotional effect. BTW, there are papers on the subject if you actually care to look.

    Ultimately, I don't expect record companies endorsing anything but their own claims. Much like Amazon is removing middle-man in the book publishing industry, I expect record companies to go the same route. I think it's great for the consumer. JMO

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    You shall not steal and stealing is stealing. Pretty cut and dry. God bless.

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    And those artists don't care if someone hears their music for free before they buy it.
    some do, some don't.

    The ones that do care should be able to have their rights protected, imo.

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    lol man made 'god'

    Thou shall not kill sounds pretty cut and dry too... And killing is killing.

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    Well, we know music sales increased. Since you're curious you should be able to do the research on illegal downloading having a promotional effect. BTW, there are papers on the subject if you actually care to look.

    Ultimately, I don't expect record companies endorsing anything but their own claims. Much like Amazon is removing middle-man in the book publishing industry, I expect record companies to go the same route. I think it's great for the consumer. JMO
    You said companies have caught up with her idea. I was just asking for the name of one of these companies.

    I'm still thinking record companies still generally don't like illegal downloading.

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    You said companies have caught up with her idea. I was just asking for the name of one of these companies.

    I'm still thinking record companies still generally don't like illegal downloading.
    They don't have to like the idea, endorse it or participate on it.

    Not all promotion is intentional or endorsed.

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    Oh, the company names of big labels are well known. Since you're curious, you should be able to find them...

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    Oh, the company names of big labels are well known. Since you're curious, you should be able to find them...

    Rather ty on your part to make a claim and not provide just one example on request.

    I think you would rather play silly games than give an example.


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    Well, we know music sales increased. Since you're curious you should be able to do the research on illegal downloading having a promotional effect. BTW, there are papers on the subject if you actually care to look.

    Ultimately, I don't expect record companies endorsing anything but their own claims. Much like Amazon is removing middle-man in the book publishing industry, I expect record companies to go the same route. I think it's great for the consumer. JMO
    ....Studies show that the appeal of piracy has waned in France since the so-called three-strikes law, hailed by the music and movie industries and hated by advocates of an open Internet, went into effect. Digital sales, which were slow to get started in France, are growing. Music industry revenues are starting to stabilize......

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/te...pagewanted=all

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