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    The election is getting more and more press lately because of proposition 2 (at least here in the DFW area). Being as it was number 2 I wondered what the first or any other propositions were. Upon checking the Tarrant County Elections site I found the ballot. Upon reading the ballot I was confused by the wording so I sought out some knowledge. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram had an article on the election. But the article contained the same vague wording for the propositions as the ballot, with unsupported yes/no recommendations. So I checked the Dallas Morning News and they had a link to this do ent which I found very informational.

    So I figured I would share.

    Information on Upcoming Election

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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    Did you see that stupid ass preacher throw himself on the floor in front of the SA City Council b/c they refused to answer whether they were in support of Prop. 2?

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    I keep getting messages left on VM at home from some Pastor asking that we vote NO on Prop. 2 because Gov. Perry screwed up on the wording.

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    I keep getting messages left on VM at home from some Pastor asking that we vote NO on Prop. 2 because Gov. Perry screwed up on the wording.
    Yeah, sentence one of the proposition states that a marriage shall only be between one man and one woman.

    Sentence two goes on to prohibit any law that would attempt to sanction anything that even resembled a marriage...possibly even those as defined in sentence one. Whooops!

    Oh well, I'm trying to figure out how to break the news to my wife...about our soon-to-be annulled marriage of 13 years.

    And, it wasn't Governor Perry; it was Warren Chisum.

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    We should really be focusing on the real enemy of marriage: the common-law marriage. Time to catch up with the 21st century and ban common-law marriages.

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    We should really be focusing on the real enemy of marriage: the common-law marriage. Time to catch up with the 21st century and ban common-law marriages.

    Why?

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Actually, it is time for the government to step out of the marriage business for good.

    I'm torn on Prop 2. I obviously want to vote against it because it is meaningless and useless legislation that tries to legislate morality, but I'd almost rather see it struck down as illegal by either the state supreme court (hahahahah! We're in Texas after all) or a federal court.

    I think of far more importance here in San Antonio is the vote on the ACCD bond. That vote needs to pass. The bond is a good one and those schools need the money pretty badly.

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    Yes, the wording on Proposition 2 is a mess. What is the "union of one man and one woman"? What is identical to marriage other than marriage?

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    I've gotten the voice mail, too....

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    Yeah -- why abolish common law marriages?

    Should we also abolish marriages that aren't formalized in a church service, too?

    Ultimately, measures like this one will be challenged by persons who are outside of the scope of the cons utional amendment and these sorts of laws will be put before the United States Supreme Court which will be asked to decide whether the laws comport with the Equal Protection guarantees of the Fourteenth Amendment and/or the penumbral right to privacy. Somehow, if the laws are deemed to violate the United States Cons ution, the chorus from the right will reprise the vapid "judicial activism" mantra, unconcerned with the fact that the Supreme Court is meant to function precisely in that fashion.

    I, for one, can't wait.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Yeah, name me one ban like this that has stood up in court. Just one.

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    If Prop 2 gets passed, the worst it will be is another embarrassment for the state.

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    If Prop 2 gets passed, the worst it will be is another embarrassment for the state.
    Well, Texas will join a number of other states that have passed similar legislation or Cons utional provisions. That the legislation has passed or the amendments have been ratified doesn't make the law Cons utional -- but the "anti-judicial activists" will tell you that any court that would strike down those laws could only be an activist court.

    On a side note -- the sheer number of proposed cons utional amendments in an off-year election is, to me, indicative of both: (1) the fact that the Texas Cons ution is simply unworkable any more; and (2) the brilliance of having a federal Cons ution that is written in broad terms and not intended to address in piece-meal fashion every situation that may arise and require cons utional interpretation. Can you imagine what a mess the Federal Cons ution would be if there was an attempt to address such minor issues as land rights in particular counties or even states by Cons utional amendment?

    The Framers of the United States Cons ution were simply brilliant.

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    Common law marriage is recognized only in the following states:

    Alabama
    Colorado
    District of Columbia (not really a state)
    Georgia (if created before 1/1/97)
    Idaho (if created before 1/1/96)
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Montana
    New Hampshire (for inheritance purposes only)
    Ohio (if created before 10/10/91)
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina
    Texas
    Utah

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Well, Texas will join a number of other states that have passed similar legislation or Cons utional provisions. That the legislation has passed or the amendments have been ratified doesn't make the law Cons utional -- but the "anti-judicial activists" will tell you that any court that would strike down those laws could only be an activist court.

    On a side note -- the sheer number of proposed cons utional amendments in an off-year election is, to me, indicative of both: (1) the fact that the Texas Cons ution is simply unworkable any more; and (2) the brilliance of having a federal Cons ution that is written in broad terms and not intended to address in piece-meal fashion every situation that may arise and require cons utional interpretation. Can you imagine what a mess the Federal Cons ution would be if there was an attempt to address such minor issues as land rights in particular counties or even states by Cons utional amendment?

    The Framers of the United States Cons ution were simply brilliant.


    Or lucky? You decide!

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    Common law marriage is recognized only in the following states:

    Alabama
    Colorado
    District of Columbia (not really a state)
    Georgia (if created before 1/1/97)
    Idaho (if created before 1/1/96)
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Montana
    New Hampshire (for inheritance purposes only)
    Ohio (if created before 10/10/91)
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina
    Texas
    Utah
    And....?

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    that's all, no other states.

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    There are also only a few states with no State Income Tax...should we just start implementing them in those states because they aren't in line with all of the others?

    How is something not in line with what you think necessarily a bannable offense...or your business?

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    How is something not in line with what you think necessarily a bannable offense...or your business?

    Why can't I have an opinion about marriage? Is this not America? Am I not free to hold any belief I care to no matter how crazy it may seem to you or anyone else? What the is going on here?


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    You're free to but I'm not free to disagree or question why? Why do you feel it's your business how others live their private lives if it in no way, shape or form interferes with how you live your own?

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    Why can't I have an opinion about marriage? Is this not America? Am I not free to hold any belief I care to no matter how crazy it may seem to you or anyone else? What the is going on here?

    Well, you can have an opinion. And, yes, this is America. Further, you are free to hold any belief you care to -- yep, no matter how crazy it may seem to anyone else.

    What's going on here is this. You've posted your opinion in a discussion forum where -- apparently as surprise to you -- it will be read, evaluated, and possibly commented upon by people who also have opinions, find themselves in America, hold differing beliefs than your own and think you're a lunatic.

    Expect results that displease you.

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    let the gays ing get married, but ACCD.. they already had a chance, but the poor people shot it down because they wanted a school in their neighborhood that they aren't going to go to anyway...

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    Mrs.Useruser666 SpursWoman's Avatar
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    What's going on here is this. You've posted your opinion in a discussion forum where -- apparently as surprise to you -- it will be read, evaluated, and possibly commented upon by people who also have opinions, find themselves in America, hold differing beliefs than your own and think you're a lunatic.

    Expect results that displease you.


    Classic...

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    You're free to but I'm not free to disagree or question why? Why do you feel it's your business how others live their private lives if it in no way, shape or form interferes with how you live your own?
    I think Common Law marriage is stupid because it is extremely easy to get a marriage license these days. We have Common Law marriage because in the olden days people in TX had to travel long distances to get to a justice of the peace to marry them.

    Also, nobody really understands Common-Law marriage. Some people think that you're automatically Common-Law married if you live together for a certain amount of years or have kids together, neither are true.

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    Also, nobody really understands Common-Law marriage. Some people think that you're automatically Common-Law married if you live together for a certain amount of years or have kids together, neither are true.
    ! if that were the case i'd have like 50 wives by now... everytime i date a chick she sneakily moves in until i boot her!

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