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    Read post above...

    BIBLE=A collection of books containing stories and parables, written by numerous people, inspired by God meant to convey a message. Not EVERY word should be taken 100% literally. It's all about the Message.

    Help any? You don't have to answer.

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    When you post again, please give a reference to Stenger's counter.

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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C...t#cite_note-25

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    Rofl easily explained.
    Sorry, it should read, NOT easily explained.

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    Read post above...

    BIBLE=A collection of books containing stories and parables, written by numerous people, inspired by God meant to convey a message. Not EVERY word should be taken 100% literally. It's all about the Message.

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    How much of the bible should be taken literally?

    Answer in percentage please, thanks.

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    Interesting that Jesus couldn't keep track of things that happened on the Bible time line.
    Jesus is referring to the resurrection - Elijah was not resurrected.

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    Sorry, it should read, NOT easily explained.
    Why did god not make the bible easy to explain?

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    How much of the bible should be taken literally?

    Answer in percentage please, thanks.
    Sorry, you are asking the wrong person. I'm about the Message. I'm just trying to explain to you why it's not a good idea to be putting different verses of the Bible against one another. This is why people read and study the Bible in private, in sessions and ask people who can give better answers.

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    Jesus is referring to the resurrection - Elijah was not resurrected.
    Jesus ascended to heaven 40 days after his resurrection.

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    Why did god not make the bible easy to explain?
    Good question, I think cause it was written over hundreds of years by different people. It's not meant to be read like a novel. Frustrating I know, but maybe it's more rewarding to have to work and study it to find your inspiration.

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    Sorry, you are asking the wrong person. I'm about the Message. I'm just trying to explain to you why it's not a good idea to be putting different verses of the Bible against one another. This is why people read and study the Bible in private, in sessions and ask people who can give better answers.
    It's pretty easy to tell that you are ill equipped to handle these questions.

    Funny you admit to it, and yet you still try.

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    Good question, I think cause it was written over hundreds of years by different people. It's not meant to be read like a novel. Frustrating I know, but maybe it's more rewarding to have to work and study it to find your inspiration.
    If the bible is divinely inspired and god is omnipotent and truly wants everyone to go to heaven, then it should be extremely simple.

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    Blake, from the Wikipedia article you posted:

    Stenger has argued that quantum mechanics dis-confirms the first premise of the argument, that is, that something can not come into being from nothing. He postulates that such naturally occurring quantum events are exceptions to this premise, like the Casimir effect and radioactive decay. Craig responds to this in two different ways: (1) the indeterministic origination of virtual particles in the quantum vacuum is not true creatio ex nihilo (creation from nothing) since the vacuum contains a sea of fluctuating energy, empty space, and is governed by physical laws; none of which is "nothing."

    This is a key point. Even at the quantum level, we never see creatio ex nihilo, little alone at the level needed for all contents and phenomenon in the entire universe. Stenger's argument is therefore easily dismissed since his point rests on the idea of creatio ex nihilo being an observable action.

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    If the bible is divinely inspired and god is omnipotent and truly wants everyone to go to heaven, then it should be extremely simple.
    I posted that as you to prove we aren't the same person.

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    Blake, from the Wikipedia article you posted:

    Stenger has argued that quantum mechanics dis-confirms the first premise of the argument, that is, that something can not come into being from nothing. He postulates that such naturally occurring quantum events are exceptions to this premise, like the Casimir effect and radioactive decay. Craig responds to this in two different ways: (1) the indeterministic origination of virtual particles in the quantum vacuum is not true creatio ex nihilo (creation from nothing) since the vacuum contains a sea of fluctuating energy, empty space, and is governed by physical laws; none of which is "nothing."

    This is a key point. Even at the quantum level, we never see creatio ex nihilo, little alone at the level needed for all contents and phenomenon in the entire universe. Stenger's argument is therefore easily dismissed since his point rests on the idea of creatio ex nihilo being an observable action.

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    Further down....

    Thus, Craig rejects this as a refutation of premise one. However, Stenger continues that "...Craig is thereby admitting that the "cause" in his first premise could be...something not predetermined. By allowing probabilistic cause, he destroys his own case for a predetermined creation." [26]

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    It's pretty easy to tell that you are ill equipped to handle these questions.

    Funny you admit to it, and yet you still try.
    Just because I don't have all the answers doesn't mean I can't give you a clue. I'll give you another clue, you are not on a Bible forum, what do you expect?! You are asking, so I'm just answering the best I can. If you have sincere questions go ask in the proper forum.

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    I posted that as you to prove we aren't the same person.
    Smh

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    Jesus ascended to heaven 40 days after his resurrection.
    exactly

    I'm being lazy (short on time), but here from wikipedia:

    The Ascension of Jesus (anglicized from the Vulgate Latin Acts 1:9-11 section le: Ascensio Iesu) is the Christian teaching found in the New Testament that the resurrected Jesus was taken up to heaven in his resurrected body,[Acts 1:9-11] in the presence of eleven of his apostles, occurring 40 days after the resurrection. In the biblical narrative, an angel tells the watching disciples that Jesus' second coming will take place in the same manner as his ascension.[1]

    The Ascension of Jesus is professed in the Nicene Creed and in the Apostles' Creed. The Ascension implies Jesus' humanity being taken into Heaven.[2] The Feast of the Ascension, celebrated on the 40th day of Easter (always a Thursday), is one of the chief feasts of the Christian year.[2] The feast dates back at least to the later 4th century, as is widely attested.[2]

    The account of Jesus ascending bodily into the clouds is given fully only in the Acts of the Apostles, but is briefly described also in the Gospel of Luke (often considered to be by the same author, see Luke-Acts) at 24:50–53 and in the ending of Mark 16 at 16:19.

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    Just because I don't have all the answers doesn't mean I can't give you a clue. I'll give you another clue, you are not on a Bible forum, what do you expect?! You are asking, so I'm just answering the best I can. If you have sincere questions go ask in the proper forum.
    If you admit to not knowing , then why are you even attempting to answer the questions?

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    Thus, Craig rejects this as a refutation of premise one. However, Stenger continues that "...Craig is thereby admitting that the "cause" in his first premise could be...something not predetermined. By allowing probabilistic cause, he destroys his own case for a predetermined creation."
    Since I don't care if it was predetermined or not, that point wouldn't effect my position (I've never said it must or should be predetermined). That's why I left it out - it's irrelevant unless you think the creator must have predetermined the creation somehow.

    If you admit to not knowing , then why are you even attempting to answer the questions?
    Nobody's omniscient, take it easy on him. You'd get much further if you were less condescending (yeah, I know I dish it out when I it's given to me).

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    You guys are funny. So why did ElNono and co win.. because he has more posts here, you know him a little better? He's w/out avatar?!

    Say what you what about anybody here, but NOBODY has proven anything
    Actually, I proved that despite of riding the intellectual high horse, his entire premise was based on faith and opinion, no different than yours or anybody else. His weak attempt to pass it as a "logical" problem was exposed for what it is, a fraud.

    Basically, his can of whoop ass was returned to sender, with a nice turd on the side.

    Mission accomplished.

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    If you admit to not knowing , then why are you even attempting to answer the questions?
    Like I already said I'm trying to give your ass a clue! I obviously know more than you. I can't give you directions all the way to Uranus, but I can get you started in the right direction. You've made easy to spot incorrect assumptions about the Bible, but yet you want direct consul from the Pope..

    Get over yourself.

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    Since I don't care if it was predetermined or not, that point wouldn't effect my position (I've never said it must or should be predetermined). That's why I left it out - it's irrelevant unless you think the creator must have predetermined the creation somehow.
    Accidental or random creation?

    Nobody's omniscient, take it easy on him. You'd get much further if you were less condescending (yeah, I know I dish it out when I it's given to me).

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    I pre-determined about how far I would get. In this case, i just wanted to see someone try.

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    Actually, I proved that despite of riding the intellectual high horse, his entire premise was based on faith and opinion, no different than yours or anybody else. His weak attempt to pass it as a "logical" problem was exposed for what it is, a fraud.

    Basically, his can of whoop ass was returned to sender, with a nice turd on the side.

    Mission accomplished.
    Sorry dude, you have proven jack and/or accomplished jack. The only thing you've proven is that you like to "hear yourself talk" and pat your own back. It's sooo easy to see that.

    You too should get over yourself.

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    Sorry dude, you have proven jack and/or accomplished jack. The only thing you've proven is that you like to "hear yourself talk" and pat your own back. It's sooo easy to see that.

    You too should get over yourself.
    Why?

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