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By what logic? I was simply reminding you that you believe the universe has a creator.
Either you are full of or you are playing a terrible game of semantics.
By that logic, I'm also a creationist becuase I believe a non-sentient sperm and egg created you. And by that logic, you're a creationist as well.
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By what logic? I was simply reminding you that you believe the universe has a creator.
Either you are full of or you are playing a terrible game of semantics.
Why in the world would that need to be impressive in the first place?! Just who is it supposed to impress and for what reason? What's your point?
What's unimpressive is the use of Olbers' paradox to support the idea of a finite universe. It makes a bad assumption on there being an infinite number of stars for one and two assumes that a star MUST be at the end of every sight line from Earth. Even IF there was a star at the end of every sight line from Earth doesn't mean that star's light is capable of reaching Earth in a significant measurable form. If I shine a flash light across the Gulf of Mexico to Florida, nobody in Florida is going to see that light, even if the Earth was flat. It wouldn't even illuminate an area past a mile.
Oh I wasn't attacking you, but the argument that people believe in their religion because that's their environment - converts (regardless of religion) prove that to be untrue.
Well, I would think it's unimpressive to those you might want to influence.
There are an estimated 9 sextillion stars in the universe - more then enough to fill every sight line if enough time had passed for all of them to reach us visibly.What's unimpressive is the use of Olbers' paradox to support the idea of a finite universe. It makes a bad assumption on there being an infinite number of stars for one and two assumes that a star MUST be at the end of every sight line from Earth.
The reason they wouldn't see it is because of the size of the light in comparison to the size of their view. However, 9 sextillion stars would indeed fill every milimeter of our view, even as tiny as they would be (actually, they would more than fill it).Even IF there was a star at the end of every sight line from Earth doesn't mean that star's light is capable of reaching Earth in a significant measurable form. If I shine a flash light across the Gulf of Mexico to Florida, nobody in Florida is going to see that light, even if the Earth was flat. It wouldn't even illuminate an area past a mile.
Good point though =)
P.s. if you turn on the lights of your house on a mountain, people will see it from much, much farther than a mile away. And that's just a few flashlight-equivalent lights ;-)
I do believe the universe has a creator, in the same way that I believe a tree has a creator (germination), and the sun has a creator (massive gravity). It's a bit of a semantics game, but not really since a god is possible. It's just that I don't try to make that case.
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That happens quite a bit. Either way a belief is a belief, so long as it's your choice and believe it to be true. There is nothing wrong with being taught a religion as a child and sticking to that faith as an adult, so long as that person believes it to be true. Very common obviously.
In a shrinking world, no doubt that's not true, but historically speaking, it's very clear that geography plays a rather significant part in religious beliefs.
Not many Southern Baptists living in Canada, tbh.
So germination is a creator.
Lousy semantics game....figured as much.
Well, what name do you want to call the unknown thing that created the universe??? I just go with the noun form of the verb "to create." Since I know what created a tree and a zygote, I can give them names. What do you want me to call the unknown creative source of the universe?
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Can't say I'm in a position to influence anybody but myself and family.
The arrival of one's faith doesn't need to impress, however the actions of somebody based on their faith can be impressive, although impressing should not be their motivation.
So if the Earth is destroyed by falling skies, then Olbers paradox is true and it's game over.
The Miami Heat is going to jinx the Earth with their "White Out" BS!
One group would call it science.
A second group would call it a miracle.
And a third group would call it a combination of both.
Actually, Chuck Swindoll has a pretty good following in Canada and I think Jack Graham does too.
I understand your point, but with the technology available today I believe that anyone truly seeking the answers given in the Bible can find them. There are many translations, but the ability to reference the original Greek or Hebrew is easily available and should be used as often as possible. I also believe that the Bible should trump any traditions of whatever Christian denomination there is out there.
Whole point dummy is that if there is a God he surely knows most people keep the religion they are born in....you didn't choose to believe in Jesus...you were brainwashed into it. So your Jesus is no greater than Buddha, Moses, Muhammad, etc
Jesus died for our sins right? What about the time before Jesus...those people not matter to God?
Most of what you believe is bull son....look past the none sense you've been feed and see the light....maybe there is a God but he sure as doesn't care if your call yourself Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Baha'i or whatever.
God bless sons
Damn shame people 20+ years didn't have that kind of easy access and are now in .
It seems all you do is wrongfully assume just about everything and talk out your ass. It's obvious your anti-religion so your opinion is biased resulting in insults and mockery. Did you bother to read the bible and listen to pastors or clergy and try to understand the message or did you just listen to people like George Carlin and let them decide for you? I feel I've explained myself well enough but you on the other hand just spew out crap like this. Very poor argument. Be man enough to say "I choose not to be a believer" and move on instead of bashing anybody who is not like you. There's nothing cool or smart about that.
Why? Were these people mean a-holes? What are they guilty of?
They were guilty of not having access to the literal Bible translations that we have today.
Fwiw, Christian faith generally accepts that there will be some mean a-holes in heaven (and some nice people in ).
Please explain your 2nd comment.
Ummmm, did God create anything that He called 'perfect'? I think he referred to his creations as 'good'. So, with that in mind, the Spurs are good. LOL
It is a good day in Spurs land!!
AgreedI take it you are a Calvinist, then, and your parents are Arminian. Those devils!
Or is it that they prefer the old hymns, and you like contemporary stuff. Those old farts!
Big differences indeed.
"What reward do you get if you love only those who love you? Why, even the tax-collectors do that! And if you are friendly only to your friends, are you doing anything out of the ordinary?"
Explain how?
I think what I stated seems clear enough
Actually it doesn't at all. But whatever, you probably can't do a good enough job anyways.
Sorry you haven't studied up on your faith to grasp such a simple concept.
Fascinating.
I have done much study on both sides of this argument. It does appear that the more intelligent person will side with atheism rather than religiosity due to their more cerebral reasoning of the topic. To be atheist you need to be able to state reasonable facts illustrating the lack of proof of a God. To be religious you must rely on faith.
Usually, once the discussion reaches the point of disproving God by the lack of any factual evidence it ends. In my opinion it ends there because of the true core of the persons desire. Whether there is a willingness to be accountable to any absoluteness.
I have always taken it a step past the 'God' proof finality.
In the simplest of reasoning alone, if the Atheist is correct what has the Christian lost? Nothing. If the Christian is right what has the Atheist lost? Everything. Logic alone seems clear to the conclusion unless there is more than simple reasoning involved.
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