Genius angels
You are probably going to get something about pure evil.
The problem is you are thinking like a human and not like a God. And because you are thinking like a human, Satan is a [blanking] idiot.
For God's sake, get into God's head man, get to know him. And then you too can make grand statements via informed law by your creator. I think thats how its supposed to work. Think, but not too hard. Reason, but not too much. Just let it flow, but not in a torrent. Relax, but be on your toes.
No, no, no.. We Christians (anybody for that matter) don't have all the answers to weird scenarios like the ones mentioned here. We can't answer to what all God has done or has planned. BUT we seem to agree on what kind of life Gods wants us to live. So from that we can guess on some of these other things, but it doesn't change the message. It's no different than relying on past experience do deal with a problem.
I find it hard to believe that you get all worked up over a forum post. It's all my opinion jackass. Don't you get that? Do you really think I know all the answers? Of course not and either do you. Quit trying to find faults over somebody elses opinion, it's stupid. Your opinion vs. my opinion = nada. You can't prove a single thing, the same way I can't. Most of the world believes in form of religion or another, so deal with it.
Lucifer obviously had free will to rebel against God - not sure where you're going here?
It wasn't Lucifer's stupidity - it was his vanity. Man has proven to vain throughout most of humanity regardless of their intelligence.
no - they were cast out of heaven (Revelation 12:9)
lot of folks here are pretty high on themselves and as you make fun of someone's beliefs, you might take a second to examine your own bigotry.
Here's a thought - you have no answers, but you're full of verbal attacks. I feel sorry for you.
What difference does it make to you, you don't believe in God or Satan right?
Guys, we aren't getting anywhere lol. People hardly change their minds on non-important topics over the internet, let alone religion and how it works.
Did the original post ever get answered?
Yes, I know. But it's hard to resist answering or replying to a lot of people that talk a lot of BS.
Yes, well kinda. There is a lil' do entary vid on Duncan after the '05 championship and he mentions God.
You're wrong to use bigotry against the people posting here. You're only using that term because you can't see the real problem at hand and can only resort to mud slinging without any facts to back up your claim. 'Bigot' is a strong word... use it wisely. You unfortunately did not in your post.
It is religion that pushes it's views on how things should be upon everyone else and it is Atheists arguing for the separation of church and state. Atheists want everything to be treated equally. This country favors Christians to a majority, and you would be falling for right wing propaganda to argue otherwise. To stunt science class in public schools, change laws on abortion and birth control, cut funding to stem cell research and space exploration... with all due respect, you are not seeing the big picture. You are blinded by your own insecurities. Christians need to stop playing the victim card. You are the huge majority. Stop getting butthurt when an intellectual argues for equality based on what is known fact to your faith in the unproven.
big·ot·ry
[big-uh-tree] Show IPA
noun, plural -ries.
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stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigotry
I'm not upset at the verbal attacks - like I said I pity people that want to cry out about the wrongs of a religion and then go ahead and attack someone's beliefs. If you can't see the hypocrisy, oh well. If you don't like the legislation that's been passed, go campaign and vote but that doesn't give you the right to use your bigotry to attack someone for their beliefs.
Proxy, not all atheists are intellectuals and vice versa.
What do you think the law should be on abortion?
If atheists want everything to be treated equally then they should start treating everybody equally. Guys like Bill Maher don't help their cause when they ridicule people of faith. It's offensive and just makes people not want to listen to them. Salesmen don't insult their customers while they are trying to close the deal do they?
Can you provide an example of how this country favors Christians?
I find it common for "you" christians to get worked up and start name calling in threads like these.
It's how Jesus would debate
Ooops, I was tired last night. We are all human and have emotions. I'm not the only one that does name calling... remember terms like delusional, illogical, etc...I find it common for "you" christians to get worked up and start name calling in threads like these.
It's how Jesus would debate
BTW I'm not Jesus.
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Vain because we think we know it all? How are we vain, we think we are pretty?
Please do explain. Because I feel pretty damn stupid when it comes to thinking like a God.
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Yes, I am a language arts teacher with an additional degree in biblical studies, who is also an author and app developer for for iOS / Android. I also have been a 3D animator for four years, worked for 2K Sports on their NBA 2K series for six years, and work on quantum computing concepts with a large corporation.
And yes, I did in fact destroy you, and referenced said destruction using the internet. If my examples had been so poor, surely you could have done better. Accept that you are an imbecile, who is now "butthurt," as you and your buddies like to say, and walk away. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to reconcile these:
- You tried to correct me about the definition of "laws of physics." I then posted the actual definition, and it turns out you were wrong and I was right.
- You tried to correct me about time. You used the wrong definition, and I had to correct you again.
- You tried to correct me about electrons. Once again, I'm right, I have at least a hundred scholarly references to back me up if needed, and I corrected you with multiple references.
- I showed you how we know the universe does not have an infinite past (as you say) through Olber's paradox. Before that, you contended it could.
- In a physics / cosmology discussion, you asked me if "love" is infinite. Maybe the wiccans were impressed...
- You showed you didn't know that the universal expansion is equally distributed. I had to show you, and you just attacked Wikipedia instead of actually being able to evaluate the position.
- You have repeatedly shown you don't understand the definition of "universe," which indicates you really aren't versed in any reputable multiverse theories.
- You assumed my positions come from the bible, despite the fact I don't see the bible as authoritative.
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I find it common for "you" christians to get worked up and start name calling in threads like these.
It's how Jesus would debate
Way to look for nice people to bully. You're special.
Rofl.
Way to look for nice people to bully. You're special.
I haven't dropped down to the christian pacifists' in this thread level.
Poor persecuted christians...
You miss the point. To side against God, heaven must not be that great to begin with. Who would want to spend eternity in a place where power struggles are happening? Might as well stay on Earth.
Did God create the angels?
Doesn't the whole thing become really cartoonish after a while, and isn't that why most Christians prefer to remain in a safer zone that's covered by apologetics and thousands of years of edits and misdirection?
And when I educate you again, what then?
Get ready for a can of intellectual whoopass in
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Other than your ambiguous assertion above, you have repeatedly misused the term "law" in "laws of physics" saying that other universes have different laws when in fact we don't know they exist therefore we cannot ascertain they have laws. You use the term as a theist would use it, as "nature of the universe" when in fact the laws of physics are what they are, and your alternate definition is pointless. You cannot redefine words to suit your argument.
- You tried to correct me about the definition of "laws of physics." I then posted the actual definition, and it turns out you were wrong and I was right.
Again, you have gone back and forth on the time issue, equating it to a ray, a line and a point. It's not all of these and in fact it's not any of these any more than distance is.- You tried to correct me about time. You used the wrong definition, and I had to correct you again.
From Wikipedia (your favorite place): Time is a part of the measuring system used to sequence events, to compare the durations of events and the intervals between them, and to quantify rates of change such as the motions of objects.
This is the first line in the definition. You countered this with the "perpetual movement of the electron which allows this segue to your next misconception:
You stated that electrons have perpetual movement, I told you that you are viewing electrons in the wrong way. See below:- You tried to correct me about electrons. Once again, I'm right, I have at least a hundred scholarly references to back me up if needed, and I corrected you with multiple references.
Q:
One of my students asked me, "Why does the electron move at all?" I admitted I didn't know and would like to find out for myself and for her. Thanks
- David DeCarli
Cromwell High School, CT, USA
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David -
Awesome question! (Give your student my compliments for thinking it up!) Naturally, one would think that because protons are positively charged, and electrons are negatively charged, the two should attract and stick together. The reason that doesn't happen can't even begin to be explained using classical physics. This was one of the key mysteries that were cleared up right away by the invention of quantum mechanics around 1925.
The picture you often see of electrons as small objects circling a nucleus in well defined "orbits" is actually quite wrong. As we now understand it, the electrons aren't really at any one place at any time at all. Instead they exist as a sort of cloud. The cloud can compress to a very small space briefly if you probe it in the right way, but before that it really acts like a spread-out cloud. For example, the electron in a hydrogen atom likes to occupy a spherical volume surrounding the proton. If you think of the proton as the size of a grain of salt, then the electron cloud would have about a ten foot radius. If you probe, you'll probably find the electron somewhere in that region.
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However, if, as you claim, electrons have perpetual movement ergo no events, imagine you took a photograph of an atom and later you took another of the same atom. Those two photos capture two different events related to that atom. Time is what exists between those events. I have, for intents in purposes, stopped the electron unless you wish to assert it continues to move in the photo.
Olber's paradox doesn't prove anything, and there are several ways around it. If you can use Google you can see that for yourself.- I showed you how we know the universe does not have an infinite past (as you say) through Olber's paradox. Before that, you contended it could.
Regardless, again, I did not propose an infinite universe, I said GR supports it. You can extrapolate from there all you like, but that's your strawman, not my assertion.
You defined "infinite" as anything that's immeasurable. Your definition is folly so I made folly of it. Can you measure love? If not, why isn't it infinite?- In a physics / cosmology discussion, you asked me if "love" is infinite. Maybe the wiccans were impressed...
This same physics/cosmology discussion saw you propose an alternate universe where the creator exists, that impacted this one, but yet you still work from a closed system aspect. It also saw you proclaim this alternate universe has different "laws of physics" as if physicists there have made it so.
No, I showed that you don't. It's a proposition and you consider it fact. Scientists normally will not smugly call a proposition a fact.- You showed you didn't know that the universal expansion is equally distributed. I had to show you, and you just attacked Wikipedia instead of actually being able to evaluate the position.
You differentiate between "cosmos" and "universe" and you talk of a multiverse as if it's a fact, not just a concept used to attempt to get over a gap in understanding.- You have repeatedly shown you don't understand the definition of "universe," which indicates you really aren't versed in any reputable multiverse theories.
You defined "universe" as all energy, matter and phenomena that exists.
What else is there?
Your reasoning comes from your background in bible studies, being force fed nonsensical mysticism and fairy tales as if they are facts, and adopting the stance that belief must come before knowledge. With that in tow, you are handicapped already, and your drive for confirmation creates a bias that you cannot deny without lying to me and you. It's typical theist methodology, though you try to disguise it with your loose understanding of science. I think I pegged you quite nicely, and if I am wrong you haven't made any progress exposing it.- You assumed my positions come from the bible, despite the fact I don't see the bible as authoritative.
I think you're trying to push your hack science sci-fi book to be honest.
All of your science is fiction it seems.
I also find it amusing that a high school language arts teacher attempts to downplay a background in science and physics by saying "community colleges". You teach an unrelated subject at a high school in North Georgia.
So chew on that and I am sure you will have the same gradient shift in your claims in an attempt to play tank pong with reality.
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What a horrible piss poor response... If you really want answers, Google it, I'm sure you'll get a few hits...
there's a reason why he doesn't believe which is logical and then there is your reason to believe which is not.
but you don't have to take it literally so i guess that means you can make up whatever you --or those you decide can-- want. the Bible as a choose your own adventure book.
Here's an ironic story for you atheists out there:
http://now.msn.com/now/0318-atheists...s-highway.aspx
A group of Floridian "free thinkers" converged on a strip of U.S. Route 98 Saturday with mops and a giant vat of "unholy water" to cleanse the thoroughfare of the blessing it received from a Christian group a year ago. The atheist group, "Humanists of Florida" says it scrubbed the road "of the oils of intolerance," claiming that the original roadside annointment by Christian group Polk Under Prayer was an insult to non-Christians and that the highway should be "about welcoming everybody." PUP director Richard Geringswald counters that his group's blessing was merely meant to ward off "evildoers." One tip for the atheists: Complete all spiritual spring cleaning on your checklist before next week's Reason Rally in DC.
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