What is Tim Duncan's religion?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

blah, blah, blah....

Like I said intellectualy laziness. i don't around with asinine conversations about the OT. I cut right to the chase.

virgin births, ressurections and universal forgiveness for believers.

You believe in that literally right?

you believe that mary never had sex with joseph out of wedlock and that jesus was not truly a bas .

you believe that he was dead and that in god resurrecting him somehow that absolves you of all the bad you've done?

you take that literally right?

but the part about the whale or the demonic pigs or the reattachment of ears, all thats to be taken figuratively.

itself selfish convenience.

[Blake]

Look in the mirror home boy!

I know how religious jackasses like you work: You want to pick out the good parts and ignore the bad parts.

Then you cry blah blah blah when called out on it.

[underdawg]

Like I said intellectualy laziness. i don't around with asinine conversations about the OT. I cut right to the chase.

virgin births, ressurections and universal forgiveness for believers.

You believe in that literally right?

you believe that mary never had sex with joseph out of wedlock and that jesus was not truly a bas .

you believe that he was dead and that in god resurrecting him somehow that absolves you of all the bad you've done?

you take that literally right?

but the part about the whale or the demonic pigs or the reattachment of ears, all thats to be taken figuratively.

itself selfish convenience.

Christians believe that Mary was a virgin? - yes
Christians believe that Christ was resurrected? - yes
To not believe in the above statements would basically make believing in Christianity worthless - I Corithians 15:14

Yes on demonic pigs and yes on Christ reattaching an ear, healing the blind, healing the sick, etc.

I never understood how people could question why Christians believed in miracles given that they also believe that God created the universe. Which miracle is greater?

[Blake]

Christians believe that Mary was a virgin? - yes
Christians believe that Christ was resurrected? - yes
To not believe in the above statements would basically make believing in Christianity worthless - I Corithians 15:14

Yes on demonic pigs and yes on Christ reattaching an ear, healing the blind, healing the sick, etc.

I never understood how people could question why Christians believed in miracles given that they also believe that God created the universe. Which miracle is greater?

So you believe the Bible should be taken to be 100% literally true?

[underdawg]

Lucifer is a dumb to want over heaven. Or as DMC pointed out, heaven must not be that great.

I'm still wondering why a God of love would create a fiery torture chamber for non-believers.

Sure Lucifer made a bad decision - hindsight is 20/20 and vanity has been responsible for a lot of very evil and stupid actions throughout mankind. That said, there is absolutely no evidence that Lucifer was unhappy with heaven (no matter how many times you state it).

God made for Satan and his angels

[Blake]

Sure Lucifer made a bad decision - hindsight is 20/20 and vanity has been responsible for a lot of very evil and stupid actions throughout mankind. That said, there is absolutely no evidence that Lucifer was unhappy with heaven (no matter how many times you state it).

So he is just flat stupid.

There is no oops, hindsight 20/20 when you have god calling his shot in the book of revelation.

God made for Satan and his angels

Then he clearly doesn't love them and rather foolish of him to create them in the first place

[underdawg]

So you believe the Bible should be taken to be 100% literally true?

I never said that and name me a credible pastor of a Christian church that says that.

[underdawg]

So he is just flat stupid.

There is no oops, hindsight 20/20 when you have god calling his shot in the book of revelation.



Then he clearly doesn't love them and rather foolish of him to create them in the first place

call Satan stupid or foolish if you wish

Clearly - you have read God's mind? Here I thought we humans were unable to do that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Christians believe that Mary was a virgin? - yes
Christians believe that Christ was resurrected? - yes
To not believe in the above statements would basically make believing in Christianity worthless - I Corithians 15:14

Yes on demonic pigs and yes on Christ reattaching an ear, healing the blind, healing the sick, etc.

I never understood how people could question why Christians believed in miracles given that they also believe that God created the universe. Which miracle is greater?

i actually can respect this. I think its horse but at least youre consistent.

and its not about God creating the universe. its about God creating the earth as we know it in 7 rotations about its axis and the whole garden of eden thing. noah claiming that his code of law was given to him by a burning bush. and on and on and on.

i also think that the OT version of sacrifices at the temple so the priests could have a nice barbeque every day being twisted into jesus being that sacrifice was a nice touch. then of course the great leap that john took and paul later ran with.

if you want to believe that then go ahead. its no more hokey than hindu or islam.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said that and name me a credible pastor of a Christian church that says that.

all the guys on TV, the catholic church, most nondemoninational fundamentalists are like that. etc.

and credible pastor lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure Lucifer made a bad decision - hindsight is 20/20 and vanity has been responsible for a lot of very evil and stupid actions throughout mankind. That said, there is absolutely no evidence that Lucifer was unhappy with heaven (no matter how many times you state it).

God made for Satan and his angels

you just said humans couldn't know the mind of god. quit fronting.

[Blake]

I never said that and name me a credible pastor of a Christian church that says that.

I didn't say you did, thus the question mark.

I don't know one credible pastor in any church.

[underdawg]

you just said humans couldn't know the mind of god. quit fronting.

Matthew 25:41

[underdawg]

I didn't say you did, thus the question mark.

I don't know one credible pastor in any church.

Ziiiiiinnnggg!

[underdawg]

all the guys on TV, the catholic church, most nondemoninational fundamentalists are like that. etc.

and credible pastor lol

I'm sorry - I thought by saying a credible pastor it was obvious that I meant credible among Christians

[Brazil]

blablablablablabla

[DMC]

Don't know what list you're looking at, but the first scientist on that list was from Penn State.

From your link:
Biologists consider evolution to be a fact in much the same way that physicists do so for gravity. However, the mechanisms of evolution are less well understood, and it is these mechanisms that are described by several theories of evolution.

I was trying to help you out of your re ation.

Here's what your link actually leads to:

Sorry...Page not found


The page you are looking for (http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/-) is not available, please try one of the following options:

• Go to dissent from darwin homepage
• Report the problem

So I took it upon myself to to to the "dissent from darwin homepage where I found this:


"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged"


For starters, that's a far cry from disagreeing. Encouraging careful examination of a theory in no way disagrees with the principle aspect of evolution itself, just as disagreeing with the theory of gravity does not cause objects to suspend in mid air pending your acceptance. (ok I owe Mr Gould a bit on that one).


From that site, there is a link that says "scientists" and there are 4 of them. The first is this guy:


Ralph Seelke received his Ph.D. in Microbiology from the University of Minnesota and the Mayo Graduate School of Medicine in 1981, was a postdoctoral researcher at the Mayo Clinic until 1983, and has been an Associate Professor or Professor in the Department of Biology and Earth Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Superior since 1989. An authority on evolution's capabilities and limitations in producing new functions in bacteria, Prof. Seelke recently co-authored the science textbook "Explore Evolution: The Case For and Against Neo-Darwinism."



This is his homepage not found on that website:


http://www3.uwsuper.edu/rseelke/


On that page is the following quote:


John Piper-
God is most glorified in us, when we are most satisfied in Him
The primary goal of God is His own glory


Also there are numerous quotes regarding God and against evolution in general.


Also there is this link:


For inspiring/controversial/interesting views from John Piper, go to the Desiring God web site.




So it's clear from the onset that you aren't up to speed on this. The rest of the big 4 are no better.

They have an established, required belief system and they are trying to pollute science with dogma in "knowing the answer" before they set out to do their testing. Their reports will be skewed due to confirmation bias.

Basically, to these "scientists", religion trumps knowledge and if science indicates things that do not agree with the bible, science must be wrong.



Try again, this time actually click on the link you are posting to see if it's active.

[DMC]

So Christians are lazy minded, gullible suckers - the hate is strong in you young jedi.

Your response to me is proof enough. You didn't use the quote function, didn't research anything you posted and didn't even verify that the links work.

Lazy.

[Blake]

call Satan stupid or foolish if you wish

Clearly - you have read God's mind? Here I thought we humans were unable to do that.

If he is not stupid, then he has no free will......or heaven and God arent really that great to be around. Can't have it both (or 3) ways.

ftr, If he is at least 6+ k years old and is still vain, he is beyond stupid.

[Blake]

I'm sorry - I thought by saying a credible pastor it was obvious that I meant credible among Christians

Billy Graham:

....But the real question is this: Did the miracles recorded in the Bible actually happen -- or are they simply myths or legends? The Bible's testimony is clear: They actually happened -- and the reason is because God made them happen. If we leave God out of the picture and say He isn't powerful or doesn't have anything to do with the world, then there isn't any room for miracles.

But once we understand that God is all-powerful, and that He cares what happens to us, then the miracles recorded in the Bible won't be a problem for us.....

http://www.billygraham.org/articlepa...articleid=5135

but how much of the Bible do you feel is literal? In percent please thanks.

[DMC]

What about the Crusades - can you please quote the part of the New Testament that was used to carry out this war?

Since when did Christians begin to ignore the Old Testament? Does your Bible not contain both? Does your pastor only preach from the New Testament? Your account of creation is from the Old Testament, the great flood, the exodus of the Jews from Egypt, the Ten Commandments, the laws of Moses, Joshua and the battle of Jericho, Job's trials and tribulations, the Psalms of King David, on and on.

Christians want to hide the OT like flowers in the attic when non theists guests come around because you are ashamed of it, but it's part and parcel of Christianity.

[underdawg]

I was trying to help you out of your re ation.

Here's what your link actually leads to:

Sorry...Page not found


The page you are looking for (http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/-) is not available, please try one of the following options:

• Go to dissent from darwin homepage
• Report the problem

So I took it upon myself to to to the "dissent from darwin homepage where I found this:


"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged"


For starters, that's a far cry from disagreeing. Encouraging careful examination of a theory in no way disagrees with the principle aspect of evolution itself, just as disagreeing with the theory of gravity does not cause objects to suspend in mid air pending your acceptance. (ok I owe Mr Gould a bit on that one).


From that site, there is a link that says "scientists" and there are 4 of them. The first is this guy:


Ralph Seelke received his Ph.D. in Microbiology from the University of Minnesota and the Mayo Graduate School of Medicine in 1981, was a postdoctoral researcher at the Mayo Clinic until 1983, and has been an Associate Professor or Professor in the Department of Biology and Earth Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Superior since 1989. An authority on evolution's capabilities and limitations in producing new functions in bacteria, Prof. Seelke recently co-authored the science textbook "Explore Evolution: The Case For and Against Neo-Darwinism."



This is his homepage not found on that website:


http://www3.uwsuper.edu/rseelke/


On that page is the following quote:


John Piper-
God is most glorified in us, when we are most satisfied in Him
The primary goal of God is His own glory


Also there are numerous quotes regarding God and against evolution in general.


Also there is this link:


For inspiring/controversial/interesting views from John Piper, go to the Desiring God web site.




So it's clear from the onset that you aren't up to speed on this. The rest of the big 4 are no better.

They have an established, required belief system and they are trying to pollute science with dogma in "knowing the answer" before they set out to do their testing. Their reports will be skewed due to confirmation bias.

Basically, to these "scientists", religion trumps knowledge and if science indicates things that do not agree with the bible, science must be wrong.



Try again, this time actually click on the link you are posting to see if it's active.

Don't know what happened to the link, but it still takes you to the site and to the right is where you can download the list.

Please provide evidence that these "4 Scientists" have an "established, required belief system" and that they are out to poison science or is it because one or all 4 are Christians that it's automatically assumed to be so?

There are 20 pages of names of doctors and professors - are you saying that they also share the same view and have the same prejudice against science?

[underdawg]

Billy Graham:



but how much of the Bible do you feel is literal? In percent please thanks.

why do you need a percent - just come out with whatever argument that you're trying to bait me into.

Jesus used parables in his teaching to illustrate his point, different writers used metaphors and imagery to illustrate their point. I don't have a percentage to give you - sorry.

[underdawg]

Since when did Christians begin to ignore the Old Testament? Does your Bible not contain both? Does your pastor only preach from the New Testament? Your account of creation is from the Old Testament, the great flood, the exodus of the Jews from Egypt, the Ten Commandments, the laws of Moses, Joshua and the battle of Jericho, Job's trials and tribulations, the Psalms of King David, on and on.

Christians want to hide the OT like flowers in the attic when non theists guests come around because you are ashamed of it, but it's part and parcel of Christianity.

not hiding at all - the Crusades were based on the battle of Christianity over Islam. If they were basing this war on their belief in Christianity, wouldn't there be something in Christ's teachings to give them authority to do so?

For the record, I do not know any Christians personally that hide from the Old testament. Where do you get this information?

[DMC]

Don't know what happened to the link, but it still takes you to the site and to the right is where you can download the list.

Please provide evidence that these "4 Scientists" have an "established, required belief system" and that they are out to poison science or is it because one or all 4 are Christians that it's automatically assumed to be so?

There are 20 pages of names of doctors and professors - are you saying that they also share the same view and have the same prejudice against science?

Is it a coincidence that they are all Christians?

Scientists question religion and science

Theists only question science and give religion a pass

Am I to go down your list of scientists and tell you what each of them actually means when they dissent?

Do you know the difference between the theory of evolution and evolution itself?

Do you realize this entire exercise is a "god of the gaps" attempt? Because the alternative that theists propose to evolution is creation and let's see them experiment with that.