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yeah during the civil war
we lost 2000 in one day!
2,000 Dead, in Context
by Victor Davis Hanson in the New York Times.
yeah during the civil war
we lost 2000 in one day!
It's impossible to separate out the many reasons why the US has turned against the war, but loss of life is only one.
But the loss of life (US and others) has become, for many, has become a WASTE of life "in context" of:
1. The justifications for the war being totally unsubstantiated.
2. US not any safer than before (esp since US was not in any danger from Saddam). Nobody can refute the Iraq war very probably inflamed jihadis even more against US (ie, US less safe).
3. The rush to war (due to 2003 pres campaign) as inevitiable and immediately necessary, without enough troops and without the right equipment.
4. The complete absence of planning for the occupation and insurgency (tied to not enough troops).
ie, if the USA believed, even better, COULD ACTUALLY SEE, that the Iraq war was to the US's benefit, then that context could justify the loss of life.
^no joke
Both of you are jokes. And so full of BS and hate. You are always presuming to speak for America, when you don't even know what America stands for. Stuck on Stupid!
I'm against the war
I am antiamerican
I see the Grand Ol Logic youre using but it just doesnt cut it chump
That is the only one I need.It's impossible to separate out the many reasons why the US has turned against the war, but loss of life is only one.
I stand by my statement: You are a joke and anti-American. You support nothing but hate for this country and it policies and insult every American who wore the uniform of this country.
Find some quotes by me that are antiamerican and let people judge for themselves
post them
and we'll see
I'm against the war
I am antiamerican
I see the Grand Ol Logic youre using but it just doesnt cut it chump
Nah, you're not anti-American. But you do have a lusty hatred for white people.
I was talking about what xray had just said samikey
even Shawn Michaels could see that
I'll admit xray
I do hate some of Americas policies
you asked for a quote...I gave you one.
Any post you make. I lived through one period with people like you during the VN war and had to keep my mouth shut, I don't anymore. You and jokers like you who know nothing, but live for the past make me sick. Post what you want, I am sure you will, you live in a country where that is possible. But if we lived in a country that you envision it would not be possible. Every post you make is anti-American, pro left wing. You go back and read them, I haven't got time to look at such garbage.
xray wants to call me anti-american just to use his Sean Hannity playbook
but when it comes to backing it up with anything other than me calling the president a dumbass or calling the patriot act uncons utional, he falls short
go back and quote me you called out coward!
If I'm anti-american and if I am in EVERY post I make
it shouldnt be hard
You said so yourself that you were anti-American.
come on man don't act like Shawn Micheals I was talking about xrays logic
You prove my point, joker!
so then you didn't say you were anti-American.come on man don't act like Shawn Micheals I was talking about xrays logic
save any face you can
you got called out and you didnt come with anything
call up Rush Limbaugh later and tell him how anti-american I am...
Actually, boutons' post in this thread is (at last) a rational, non-partisan statement for why the public support for the war is rapidly dwindling. The facts are objectively true.
The justifications initially advanced for the war in Iraq were, in fact, proven to be unsubstantiated.
It seems clear that our invasion of Iraq had some inflammatory effect among jihadists who are seeking any opportunity for martyrdom in the jihad effort. The invasion gave them a theater of operations in the Middle East and a boatload of targets.
And, one common criticism of the war effort is that while we had sufficient troops to overwhelm the pitiful Iraqi armed forces, we have always lacked the sort of troop strength that was always going to be necessary to occupy a nation.
What boutons omits, of course, is that the War has now cost many times what we were initially told it would cost. That and the fact that the War in Iraq has deflected attention, money, and troops from the war in Afghanistan, which truly had a 9/11 justification, is truly a war on terror, and was supported by most of the rest of the world.
What's b.s. about any of that?
No, that is not true.
If not for that, they'd find some other reason. Why did they fly planes into the World Trade Center? We weren't in Iraq then. Why did they push Leon Klinghoffer off a cruise ship? We weren't in Iraq then. Why did they drive a boat bomb into the hull of the U.S.S. Cole? A truck bomb into the Khobar Towers? Into the WTC in 1993? Into two U.S. Embassies in Africa?
They will use whatever they can for justification, there's no use in trying to placate or attempt to devine -- in advance -- what will or will not incite the "Muslim World," the pursuit of a global caliphate will adopt whatever the islamic insult du jour.
What a brilliant move on the part of this administration. Nothing like armoring your targets and moving them to a theater of operations where 1) violent regime change was necessary anyway and 2) there are no innocent Americans.
Pitiful? What a short ing memory.
It's occupied and holding regular elections. Your chants for failure have been consistently and persistently drowned out by success.
Afghanistan is doing fine, thank you very much.
That it stinks?
Yoni, I agree. Well said. Like to add one thing. If Bush lied to get us into Iraq, then Clinton lied and every dimm-o-crap in Washington lied also. So did France and Germany and the United Nations. They all said the same thing Bush said and said it before him. Like you say: Some folks have short or convenient memories.
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