Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[Creepn]

The fact that you couldn't (or wouldn't) take my word for it, or look it up for yourself makes me su ious. If you really believe in something strongly, why not take a few seconds to learn some of the facts? Are you afraid that the truth of the law might make it difficult to keep believing the way you do?

Just saying.

How can you say I'm afraid if I'm the one asking you to post the damn link to the actual law!? You already have the web address and wanted to break down the law so why should I have to do the heavy work for something you started?

Ridiculous. Common courtesy gone out the window these days!

[GSH]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/153134080...ylist_id=86856

It won't matter. Truth, facts, evidence. None of that matters. And since it came from Fox, they can immediately dismiss it, without even having to think. Sort of a favored pastime for the moonbats, that not-thinking thing.

Boutons said in a fairly recent thread that it doesn't matter if a story is true or not, as long as it accomplishes a worthy goal. The most dangerous thing I can think of is a zealot who believes that anything and everything is okay, as long as he has "right" on his side. And, of course, they always define "right" as whatever they believe.

[Agitator]

.foxnews.com

bla bla bla, fox news told me what to think today, bla bla bla

[GSH]

How can you say I'm afraid if I'm the one asking you to post the damn link to the actual law!? You already have the web address and wanted to break down the law so why should I have to do the heavy work for something you started?

Ridiculous. Common courtesy gone out the window these days!

Common courtesy? You mean like deciding a man is guilty of murder, without bothering to learn facts? You mean like putting a $10K bounty on his head? Common courtesy went out the window a long time ago. Go back and read your first post to me. You started with an attack. You might find that when you talk to people respectfully, you're more likely to get it back.

Why should you have to do the heavy work? You mean learning something on your own? I don't know. That really does seem harsh, doesn't it?

[GSH]

It won't matter. Truth, facts, evidence. None of that matters. And since it came from Fox, they can immediately dismiss it, without even having to think. Sort of a favored pastime for the moonbats, that not-thinking thing.

bla bla bla, fox news told me what to think today, bla bla bla

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[Creepn]

Common courtesy? You mean like deciding a man is guilty of murder, without bothering to learn facts? You mean like putting a $10K bounty on his head? Common courtesy went out the window a long time ago. Go back and read your first post to me. You started with an attack. You might find that when you talk to people respectfully, you're more likely to get it back.

Why should you have to do the heavy work? You mean learning something on your own? I don't know. That really does seem harsh, doesn't it?

lol I didn't attack you. I simply made a request. Your ass would've shot me. You was the one that started cursing at me and calling me names.

Posting a link is simply backing up your claims and opinions to make yourself credible. It also ensures that we are talking about the same thing. Who knows, I could've looked up the wrong law or maybe you did.

[jack sommerset]

"They killed my son, and now they are trying to kill his reputation," Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon's mother, said, holding back tears.

Using "they" is very troubling. They have everyone's attention, lets not go there with a conspiracy theroy. God bless.

[GSH]

lol I didn't attack you. I simply made a request. Your ass would've shot me. You was the one that started cursing at me and calling me names.

Posting a link is simply backing up your claims and opinions to make yourself credible. It also ensures that we are talking about the same thing. Who knows, I could've looked up the wrong law or maybe you did.

Really. That's what you simply did? Then why didn't you demand that Boutons post a link to the law, since he said this right above?

The Stand Your Ground laws don't say you need some form of official, verbal threat, you just need to feel you are threatened.

Huh? Why didn't you challenge that? (My post was a reply to Boutons' to begin with.) I'll tell you why. You want to believe that Zimmerman is guilty of murder, without even knowing the facts. You didn't have any problem with what Boutons said, because it confirms your insular reality. You didn't like what I said, so you sniped about me not posting a link to the law, and you got slapped down for it. Don't bring that weak-assed stuff and expect to be taken seriously. You weren't "simply making a request", you were jamming what you thought was my interpretation.

Now I'll curse at you again. Look it up for yourself, you lazy . That's what Google is for. But if you do that, then you won't be able to accept the ridiculous interpretations by people like Boutons, or MSNBC, will you?

BTW - you do realize that if you really cared what the law said, you could have looked it up by now? This is potentially a major social issue in our country. It's worth a few minutes of my time to try and learn as much about it as I can. How about yours?

[Creepn]

Actually, I didn't read that statement from boutons so your whole tirade goes out the window.

It's still a request no matter what my intentions were. If you were so conceeeeerned about folks being educated about the law, you would've took the extra 5 seconds to cut and paste the real thing. Your actions does not back up this concern of yours.

[Creepn]

Florida's law on Crimes:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...EChapter%20776

[Creepn]

Well well, (straight copy and paste)

The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or

Stalking is illegal.

OOH WELL WELL,

The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force,

Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal now was he? He had a right to be there as well. Hmmm...

[Jacob1983]

So what's the deal? Was the victim actually an innocent victim or did he basically in a way cause the suspect to shoot him since there is evidence that he whooped the suspect's ass?

[Wild Cobra]

the usual manner is one at a time, and Darrin appears to be full of it, as usual

Regardless...

I actually consider you one of the more fair minded people here, but you're letting me down by you lack of consistency there.

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't know Thugs ate skittles and drank ice tea...that's some trippy ...my encounters with real thug s they were eating hamburgers or chicken and dranking 40's...

[Wild Cobra]

EDIT: 46 calls is still a lot IMO, even over an eight year period. I wonder what kind of neighborhoods those are.

Normally I would agree, except most were under his role of taking active interest and watching out for the communities he lived in. I have probably called 911 and non emergency police an average of once a year, and I'm not looking for anything.

[Wild Cobra]

A 140 pounder, a black who could have been harassed by whites earlier, being driven after, stalked, confronted by a 240 pounder, would seem to be enough of imagined/felt threat to Stand Your Ground in FL.

That 140 number is another one that The Herald has propagated as misinformation. Look at any photo of Trayvon that shows his torso. No way he was 6' 3" and only 140 lbs. I was skinnier than that at his age, 6' 0" and 150 lbs. One report I saw had him at 160 lbs, but I'll bet since he was 6' 3" that he was close to 170.

[Wild Cobra]

Boutons...

Also remember, he was athletic and young. Zimmerman wasn't taking care of his body. Can you really see Zimmerman having any advantage on the kid?

[ChumpDumper]

I think a better question would be "should you bring skittles to a gun fight?"

No, that question isn't as good.

God bless and I did include you in my prayer a few days ago.

The demons inside you invalidate your prayers.

[ChumpDumper]

Boutons...

Also remember, he was athletic and young. Zimmerman wasn't taking care of his body. Can you really see Zimmerman having any advantage on the kid?

A ing gun.

[Wild Cobra]

A ing gun.

Well, obviously Zimmerman wasn't prepared to use it when the fighting starting. I think it's a good guess to believe that Martin starting the fight, thinking he had the advantage.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, obviously Zimmerman wasn't prepared to use it when the fighting starting. I think it's a good guess to believe that Martin starting the fight, thinking he had the advantage.

I understand you want desperately to be an apologist for Dirty Harry. that killed an innocent kid and you are trying to make excuses for him.

It's pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

I understand you want desperately to be an apologist for Dirty Harry. that killed an innocent kid and you are trying to make excuses for him.

It's pathetic.

believe as you want. Still, as someone pointed out earlier, there is so much pressure for the police to arrest Zimmerman, that you can bet they would if they had even a very shaky case against him.

Sorry, but as time go forward, I am starting to believe Zimmerman. Still... for you to call me an apologist is rather unintellectual of you.

You're losing it Chump.

[ChumpDumper]

believe as you want. Still, as someone pointed out earlier, there is so much pressure for the police to arrest Zimmerman, that you can bet they would if they had even a very shaky case against him.

It would be only logical to have arrested him that night -- because, you know, he killed an unarmed kid he had been stalking. Then let a grand jury do its work and decide whether to indict the guy.

Sorry, but as time go forward, I am starting to believe Zimmerman. Still... for you to call me an apologist is rather unintellectual of you.

You started out believing Zimmerman because of your bias, and you have worked really hard to confirm your bias.

You're losing it Chump.

Flaglot.

[Wild Cobra]

Flaglot.

Yep, you're definitely losing it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, you're definitely losing it.

Do you not get the reference?

Do you need to have it explained to you?