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    TBH I don't think it would be relevant even then. I certainly don't see Zimmerman having foreknowledge affecting what he did. He pretty much assumed Treyvon was a miscreant from the beginning.
    It very well might not be....I was trying to construct a scenario where it was. It's probable that scenario doesn't exist.
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    It doesn't matter as far as determining if a crime was or was not committed that night, but if Zimmerman's past is fair game in the press for attack then so is Martins. I just posted the article. I didn't post an editorial comment.
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    i think we can all agree that zimmerman has prevented future criminal acts or at least eliminated the possibility of another unqualified black surgeon.
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    but if Zimmerman's past is fair game in the press for attack then so is Martins
    Concern for the privacy and reputation of the unarmed minor who got shot should be equal to that for the shooter, in your opinion?
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    Concern for the privacy and reputation of the unarmed minor who got shot should be equal to that for the shooter, in your opinion?
    So the press should only trash the reputation of the winner of the fight and not the loser?
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    So the press should only trash the reputation of the winner of the fight and not the loser?
    they should trash that kid for bringing skittles to a gun fight.
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    So the press should only trash the reputation of the winner of the fight and not the loser?
    I asked for your opinion.

    The privacy of minor victims of gun play deserves some consideration, even if the victim dies. Trashing the kid who got shot is pretty pathetic.
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    It doesn't matter as far as determining if a crime was or was not committed that night, but if Zimmerman's past is fair game in the press for attack then so is Martins. I just posted the article. I didn't post an editorial comment.
    If it's true that Zimmerman wanted to be a cop but failed at it and has called 911 like 46 times in the last few years, that's totally relevant to someone who was acting as a vigilante.
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    Boutons...

    Also remember, he was athletic and young. Zimmerman wasn't taking care of his body. Can you really see Zimmerman having any advantage on the kid?
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    I asked for your opinion.

    The privacy of minor victims of gun play deserves some consideration, even if the victim dies. Trashing the kid who got shot is pretty pathetic.
    Putting Zimmerman on trial in the press without the facts is pretty pathetic too.
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    So the press should only trash the reputation of the winner of the fight and not the loser?
    If anonymous police leaking to the press can be believed, Trayvon Martin won the fight. Then he got shot.
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    Putting Zimmerman on trial in the press without the facts is pretty pathetic too.
    yes, but you don't defend that
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    Go chew on someone else's ankle. You don't even know what you are trying to argue about.
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    Putting Zimmerman on trial in the press without the facts is pretty pathetic too.
    Maybe this is just personal opinion, but that 911 call where Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin after being told not to is all the "facts" I need to see Zimmerman get sabotaged in the press for killing Martin.
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    If you were dealing in facts you would know that the dispatcher did NOT specifically tell Zimmerman not to follow Martin.
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    And for the record I think Zimmerman is a de able head.
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    Whereas the personal background of the shooter may be relevant to the official investigation and is a legit topic of public interest, Trayvon Martin's disciplinary record at school isn't.
    While it may be relevant. If I were arguing the case for Zimmerman, I would argue that even if he was a race hating bigot, at the time he shot Martin, he was being being beaten and his life was in danger as evidenced by the broken nose and lacerations to the back of the head. But for shooting Martin, Zimmerman might have been beaten to death. And I have a witness who saw the beating. The prosecution has nothing but cir stantial evidence and public outrage. They want to focus on the past instead of the facts that not only my client has stated, but that have been supported by the only eye witness.

    The outrage is over why Zimmerman has not been arrested. His personal background really isn't revelevant to the Florida Stand Your Ground Law, under the facts that have been reported by the local police investigation. IMHO, the personal background information on Zimmerman is to try to justify and incite public outrage. Usually this tactic is used by the prosecutor to garnish support at the local level and to increase outrage against an alleged criminal.
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    they should arrest the dispatcher now. lol
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    Putting Zimmerman on trial in the press without the facts is pretty pathetic too.
    OK "Mr John Wayne". Not surprised at all that someone with that user le is defending the actions of a gun toting lunatic.
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    If there was ANY way the police or prosecutor thought they could make a case Zimmerman would already have been arrested. Apparently the facts as known by the Police simply don't support an arrest.
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    OK "Mr John Wayne". Not surprised at all that someone with that user le is defending the actions of a gun toting lunatic.
    Actually, Kori gave me that user le years ago after meeting me in person and I have not changed it.
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    The privacy of minor victims of gun play deserves some consideration, even if the victim dies. Trashing the kid who got shot is pretty pathetic.
    Putting Zimmerman on trial in the press without the facts is pretty pathetic too.
    Fair points by both of you, but that's not the world we live in. We want as much information as possible, the media wants to give us what we're demanding.
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    Go chew on someone else's ankle. You don't even know what you are trying to argue about.
    Sure I do. You denounced the attempt to try Zimmerman in the press, while defending the unprincipled disclosure of Martin's school records as equal treatment.
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    If you were dealing in facts you would know that the dispatcher did NOT specifically tell Zimmerman not to follow Martin.
    He said "You don't have to do that." You're arguing semantics. It was obvious the dispatcher was suggesting he stop follow Martin.
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    Republicans sympathizing with Zimmerman

    neighborhood watch hero
    great in American hero
    he might have been following Martin but it was self defense
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