Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[Goran Dragic]

I'll keep that in mind next time I visit Florida.

If you wanna smoke some meth then kill somebody, Florida is the place to do it!

[CosmicCowboy]

Is having no criminal history "walking like a duck..."

What exactly are you referring to by saying that?


After doing that, the best you could find on "the other individual involved" was him having a grill, a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_ , and an incident where he was caught with some jewelry that didn't lead to any criminal charges.

Sounds like a real menace to society.

I don't think anyone is glad the kid is dead including Zimmerman.

Whats your point?

[Fpoonsie]

Wait.

What do you mean by that?

Elaborate.

Is having no criminal history "walking like a duck..."

What exactly are you referring to by saying that?

That stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And if Trayvon wanted to look the part of a criminal, he may run the risk of being suspected of as much w/o much hesitation.

After doing that, the best you could find on "the other individual involved" was him having a grill, a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_ , and an incident where he was caught with some jewelry that didn't lead to any criminal charges.

Sounds like a real menace to society.

There were references to him getting in a fight w/ a bus driver, and along w/ the jewelry, I believe I read something about "burglary tools," whatever those might be.

[elbamba]

Here is a question for anyone that has a link. I have heard conflicting statements taht Martin was shot in the chest and that he was shot in the back. Does anyone know the answer and have a link to back it up?

[elbamba]

I don't think anyone is glad the kid is dead including Zimmerman.

Whats your point?

He has no point. You are wasting your time. I think that other posters have raised solid questions about why you want to look into the past of Martin when it really serves no purpose into why he was shot that night. Unless there is evidence to suggest Zimmerman was aware of specific criminal records of Martin.

[Creepn]

Or Zimmerman may argue that he stopped following Martin and was returing to his car when Martin assaulted him. Zimmerman might also argue that the only eye witness can testify that he saw Martin on top of him beating him to death and that in his fear for his life, he reached for his gun and pulled the trigger.

You have a solid point that Zimmerman should not have left his car to pursue Martin. But that act, in and of itself is not illegal. That act, does not show premeditation that he intended to kill Martin.

Zimmerman acknowledges on the phone that Marin had run and that he had lost him. He said that he would meet the inbound police. That is where the tape ends and all we have is a witness and then the shooter whose stories seem to confirm that the shooting was self-defense and therefore unless the police had probable cause to believe that the shooting was not self-defense, they must not arrest him.

Did the witness say that Martin threw the first punch?

[CosmicCowboy]

You are the ONLY one I have ever heard to assert that he might have been shot in the back.

[CosmicCowboy]

Did the witness say that Martin threw the first punch?

Yes. Broke his nose and knocked him down with the first punch, then was on top of his chest slamming his head into the concrete. His injuries were consistent with his claim.

[CosmicCowboy]

ah, misread your question. Martin was already on top of Zimmerman when the witness saw them.

[ChumpDumper]

That stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And if Trayvon wanted to look the part of a criminal, he may run the risk of being suspected of as much w/o much hesitation.

It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.


NO_LIMIT_ ? I have to alert the Zimmer Man! And I'm black so no racist!

[CosmicCowboy]

It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.


NO_LIMIT_ ? I have to alert the Zimmer Man! And I'm black so no racist!

Where the did you get that? Your magic computer again?

[Fpoonsie]

It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.

No, I'm not. I fully admitted that Zimmerman may've pursued solely due to preconceived stereotypes that Trayvon seems to have begun to emulate.

The character of Trayvon, however, may come into play in that brief but all-too-important "guessing game" that everyone seems to be playing.

[ChumpDumper]

Where the did you get that? Your magic computer again?

No, it's not magic. It's reading. Try it sometime.

[elbamba]

Did the witness say that Martin threw the first punch?

Not that I am aware of. Have you heard an eye-witness that said that Zimmerman threw the first punch? Not that you need an eye-witness, the examiner would be able to determine such a question. The autopsy could answer this and I have not seen a copy of that.

Is there an exception in the Florida Law that takes into account who the agressor is? I do not think so, so although it might be a valid question to raise, it is not enough to arrest Zimmerman over.

Again, if there is evidence to suggest I am wrong, I would love nothing more than Zimmerman to be convicted.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm not. I fully admitted that Zimmerman may've pursued solely due to preconceived stereotypes that Trayvon seems to have begun to emulate.

The character of Trayvon, however, may come into play in that brief but all-too-important "guessing game" that everyone seems to be do playing.

So now you're saying all the you listed is irrelevant.

Make up your mind.

[Creepn]

No, I'm not. I fully admitted that Zimmerman may've pursued solely due to preconceived stereotypes that Trayvon seems to have begun to emulate.

The character of Trayvon, however, may come into play in that brief but all-too-important "guessing game" that everyone seems to be playing.

I hope you backpeddle your way off a cliff.

[Fpoonsie]

So now you're saying all the you listed is irrelevant.

No.

[Fpoonsie]

I hope you backpeddle your way off a cliff.

no doubt

[CosmicCowboy]

No, it's not magic. It's reading. Try it sometime.

If he claimed that Zimmerman knew all that stuff about Martin before he started following him then show me the post.

You can't because it's not there. It's called reading.

[Winehole23]

What's been found? Didjoo already post something and I missed it?

Trayvon Martin is dead. That makes your question moot.

[Creepn]

Oh you think I'm using ebonics. Don't shoot me!

[Fpoonsie]

Oh you think I'm using ebonics. Don't shoot me!

wut?

[Fpoonsie]

If he claimed that Zimmerman knew all that stuff about Martin before he started following him then show me the post.

You can't because it's not there. It's called reading.

He'll prolly allude to my "roused su ions" post.

My point was that, while Zimmerman had no idea of Trayvon's history, those school records indicate that Trayvon had the propensity toward crime, and could've very well been behaving in a su ious manner when spotted, as well as, unfortunately, "looking the part" of one who might commit a crime.

[ChumpDumper]

If he claimed that Zimmerman knew all that stuff about Martin before he started following him then show me the post.

You can't because it's not there. It's called reading.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=607

Read it. I asked specifically about the twitter account.

[ChumpDumper]

He'll prolly allude to my "roused su ions" post.

My point was that, while Zimmerman had no idea of Trayvon's history, those school records indicate that Trayvon had the propensity toward crime, and could've very well been behaving in a su ious manner when spotted, as well as, unfortunately, "looking the part" of one who might commit a crime.

He looked guilty because he had a twitter account.

This is your theory.