Even though he's said crazier things, I don't think WC was being serious
Other than getting some bank for agreeing to do interviews on national TV, Zimmerman's life is basically ruined regardless of what happened.
The effect on Zimmerman's reputation of being an inept vigilante who disregarded the advice of the police not to pursue and ended up shooting an unarmed kid, won't be alleviated by a lawsuit for damages.
Even though he's said crazier things, I don't think WC was being serious
Other than getting some bank for agreeing to do interviews on national TV, Zimmerman's life is basically ruined regardless of what happened.
Probably not, but such a bold action may make people think twice.
I will disagree with your statement of being a vigilante... at least, lets say, that is an unproven allegation.
Did you look at the "Burglary" link at the Stafford police web site I linked? There was an average of one reported robbery per week in that community. I think we can believe he was being a community watchman rather than vigilante, but I will also agree he may have had vigilantism on his mind. I just find that hard to believe that a someone who looks like a couch potato twinkie would take on an athletic looking 6' 3" unknown su ious person.
I could go on into why I am starting to believe as I do, but you guys will just spin or ridicule it. Just keep in mind, that I have made no solid decisions yet on this issue.
Except for killing that kid.
I just had a disturbing thought, that might belong in the "Random Thoughts" thread, but it relates to this.
Do any of you have a friend, relative, etc. in the Florida prison system that wants to make Zimmerman their butt buddy?
I'm not surprised you would go there, flaglot.
what would you call a private citizen who pursues, confronts and shoots " a su ious person" to death?
Yeah I actually do. He just called me today telling me he dreamed of pounding that fat virgin ass Zimmerman has and then watching all the frothy santorum drip down Zimmerman's leg.
Who is your witness that says it went down that way? They need to testify!
That is an unproven allegation.
Do you really think that this guy, who gets bested in a brawl by a skinny 17 year old started the confrontation? My God... Zimmerman's looks like a cream puff pussy.
It does seem to fit that he was following from a distance to keep an eye on martin. His reasoning that the community was burglarized multiple times is supported in the police files. Martin was an unknown face to Zimmerman, and therefore he was su ious of him. It does seem that Martin noticed, and decided to teach this guy a lesson... However, he brought his skittle marked fists to a Gunfight...
Can you say it didn't happen this way? this is a probable working theory:
1) Zimmerman notices an unknown face.
2) Multiple burglaries have been in the area. The Stafford police site has a link to them.
3) Zimmerman follows Martin from a distance, and call the non emergency police number to report this su ious person.
4) Martin loses Zimmerman since he knows he is being watched, and doubles back, and takes Zimmerman by surprise.
5) Martin confronts Zimmerman and attacked him.
6) Zimmerman is getting pounded, screams for help, when none come... takes the palm sized 9mm out of his pocket and shoots his attacker.
Have you looked up the weapon Zimmerman was carrying? It will fit in a pocket, unnoticed.
you're saying Zimmerman didn't pursue, confront or shoot?
Assume for a minute that Zimmerman's testimony is accurate in that he lost Martin and was returning to his car when this happened.
Could it, or could it not, have happened that way?
The girlfriend tastified he wasn't going to run... run away and appear guilty of something, right?
But... she says Martin ran later... but the last time she talked to Martin was 2 minutes before he was shot, saying she lost connection, and the last words she heard were Martin asking " why are you following me" and Zimmerman saying " why are you here."
If Martin, at 6'3" and 170 lbs was running, do you honestly thing Zimmerman has a snowballs chance in of catching up?
Miami Herald reports 6'3" and 140 pounds. Where'd you get your figure?
In his car? Sure....was running, do you honestly thing Zimmerman has a snowballs chance in of catching up?
If Martin ran, it's fairly certain Zimmerman did catch up, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The Herlald also incorrectly reposted the 46 police calls over a 14 month period withour correcting it. Those calls were close to evenly spaced, starting in 2004. Not 14 months prior.
Have you seen other pictures of Martin? Now I did somewhat make up the 170 lbs figure. I figure the Herald accidentally-purposely hit the 4 key instead of the 7 key on the keypad. However, when I was 17, I was 6' 0" and 155 lbs give or take a little. I stayed thin for several years. His photo's show at least 10 more lbs than I had, especially since he is 3" taller. I did hear an account saying he was 160, but I call bull on that.
Again... Seriously... That picture, at 6' 3"...No, Zimmerman was on foot. This happened in the "backyard" of some residents 911 calls, which isn't accessible by vehicle. Did you see the map I linked?
Or... Martin after realizing he was being followed, turned the tables, and became the one following after he lost Zimmerman.
Can you tell me with a strait face, that this 6' 3" kid is only 140 lbs:
Now this is me about 12 years ago, somewhere between 155 and 160 lbs, 6' 0" and Martin is slightly bigger than I am:
LOL...
Bare Naked Bowling for Bare Naked Ladies tickets... August 1999, 2000... I forget... It was fun, but I hate the only picture they took of me.
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I suppose the reason I didn't list them all is because several overlap and play a role in his reasoning FOR the pursuit.
-Zimmerman wrongly assumed this kid didn't belong in the neighborhood, simply because he'd never seen him before.
-Zimmerman appears to have wrongly assumed (considering the number of times he mentions it in the 911 transcript) that whatever was in TM's hands was dangerous or menacing.
-Zimmerman didn't simply abide by the operator's suggestion that following the child wasn't necessary.
-Zimmerman was in over his head, and was entirely too "reassured" by having his gun with him.
Oops.
Director e Lee retweeted the home address of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who shot Trayvon Martin, the Hollywood Reporter reports. Lee has more than 200,000 followers on Twitter.
Some are accusing Lee of inciting violence. What’s possibly worse, Lee apparently retweeted the wrong address, according to a reporter at the Washington Times.
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What do you suppose e Lee was hoping for by giving out that address?
It's clear that he wanted to incite violence of course. Can't you see that?
You told a little fib. Thanks for the list just the same.
You don't say. Could it have possibly caused Martin to panic and attack Zimmerman? Remember, Martin wasn't on his home turf.
Ironic? Sure. However, that takes nothing away from speculative power that Z's past and current actions provide. Z killed an un-armed teenager and walks free. That's bound to incite some irrational thoughts on the matter. It is what it is.
If that's indeed the correct account, then of course it's a problem.
I've already offered my thoughts on what happened earlier on in this thread. Some of the stories have changed since then however. Especially important was the report about Z's claim of being attacked from behind as he walked back to his truck. He claimed that he had gotten out to check his location. In order for that to have happened, he would have had to get back into his truck first as he was pursuing Martin on foot initially.
One of my posts:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=248
Indeed. Bits keep coming out which directly contradict earlier accounts. If Martin ran, then the question of whether or not Z actually got back into his truck prior to the eventual altercation is key. As I stated above, an earlier account had Z going back to his truck after verifying his location.
My mind is made up in the following way:
Z killed Martin
Z chased Martin
Z ignored a suggestion from dispatch to halt his advance
Martin was a teenager
Martin was unarmed
Martin was visiting his father
Z walks a free man
Z has become the poster boy for everything that is wrong with this "stand your ground" law. I believe most people are talking exception to Zs actions up to the moment of the confrontation. The fact that it happened at all lies squarely on Zs shoulders and no one elses. Hence the call for some sort of action against him.
I misspoke. I didn't mean to be disingenuous.
Should I "blue" this...or is that really necessary even for Darrin?
Why, then, do you honestly think he tweeted Zimmerman's address?
Despite public claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s office, the special prosecutor in the case told The Miami Herald on Tuesday.
A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.”
The state attorney’s office held off pending further review, The Miami Herald has learned.The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.
“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.’’
The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office was consulted the night of Trayvon’s killing, but no prosecutor ever visited the scene. As the controversy intensified, Gov. Rick Scott replaced Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger with Corey, the state attorney for Duval, Nassau and Clay counties, based in Jacksonville.
“The case now has a new state attorney, and they didn’t file charges the first day they got it, either,” the Seminole prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous said.
The development is in stark contrast to the statements repeatedly made by Bill Lee, the Sanford police chief who has since stepped aside and was lambasted for his handling of the case. Lee publicly insisted that there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, leading many critics to say he came across more like a defense attorney for the security buff.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...to-charge.htmlA spokeswoman for the city said the police department would make no further comments on the ongoing investigation.
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