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    lol patty making neal his btch wahahah

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    Patty/Neal the new Tony/Manu?

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    There was on play where I watched Mills going full speed sidestepping, see a pick out of the corner of his eye, and then his man stopped and sort of cut back laterally... and Mills fluidly stayed with him shifting without losing momentum and keeping balance.

    It reminded me of Barry Sanders.

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    lol patty making neal his btch wahahah
    If you're going to start doing that as a fan of the player over the team, you will find your welcome worn out very quickly.

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    Neal at PG hasn't been an all negative experiment. Spurs offense has been very well with him but it's now less needed with Ginobili back. In the playoffs, Neal could do fine in some matchups but he will be killed in other ones. Pop should grow Mills as backup PG for defensive purposes. Mills isn't known as a defensive specialist but his numbers were good when he was Blazers backup PG last year. His opponent scored 18.6 points per 48min with a .441 eFG% and a 12.2 PER.

    Well the offense shouldn't stagnate with Mills at the point. My biggest concern has been that he won't keep the other guys involved enough. But he seems like a smart guy. Maybe when he's playing with guys who he knows can knock 'em down, he'll be more inclinded to pass the ball.

    He's obviously got good speed, and it seems he moves well laterally, so he's got the tools. If he's just adequate on defense, his offense should make him a big positive overall.

    The biggest thing, I think, is that Gary Neal can go back to being Gary Neal. He may do okay at the point, but I think he's a much bigger weapon when he's not saddled with running the offense.

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    I stand corrected. Maybe Pop will use both Neal and Mills, and go with the hot hand, or particular matchups.

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    For the record, I still want Neal as the backup point guard. But it was definitely great to see Pop bench Neal for bad defense. When Neal came back in, he gave much better effort on D. Let's hope Pop remains tough on Neal to force him to at least not be the worst point guard defender in the NBA.

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    mills>neal for backup pg, easy choice

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    I guess most people think he's a prototype PG for shooting well tonight.

    Nice shooting Patty
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    After Lester freakin' Hudson scored six straight points with Gary Neal defending him, Pop pulled Neal and put in Patty Mills.

    Bruno with the goods, timing-wise at least.
    My personal opinion is that the answer is C) None of the above.

    I think if the Spurs want to play defense in the playoffs, you go with Leonard and Jackson as the starters and Manu and Green on the second unit, with Manu running point on offense and Green defending the point on defense.

    If y'all insist on having one or the other in the rotation, it depends on the match-up and who's playing better, tbh.

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    My personal opinion is that the answer is C) None of the above.

    I think if the Spurs want to play defense in the playoffs, you go with Leonard and Jackson as the starters and Manu and Green on the second unit, with Manu running point on offense and Green defending the point on defense.

    If y'all insist on having one or the other in the rotation, it depends on the match-up and who's playing better, tbh.
    How is this supposed to work?

    Starters: PG: Tony, SG: Jackson, SF: Leonard
    Backups: PG Manu, SG: Green, SF: Who? Neal?

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    One game against a bad team.. nuff said. l
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    How is this supposed to work?

    Starters: PG: Tony, SG: Jackson, SF: Leonard
    Backups: PG Manu, SG: Green, SF: Who? Neal?
    You don't need, and likely won't see, six players covering the three perimeter positions. The Spurs did it with 4 players in 2010 (TP, Manu, Hill, RJ) and 5 players last year (those 4 plus Neal). There's only 144 minutes available.

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    How is this supposed to work?

    Starters: PG: Tony, SG: Jackson, SF: Leonard
    Backups: PG Manu, SG: Green, SF: Who? Neal?
    Jackson.

    For instance:

    1st quarter:
    Tony-PG: plays first 10 minutes
    Jackson- SG: Plays first 6 minutes
    Leonard-SF: Plays first 10 minutes

    Manu-SG: Subs in for Jackson at 6 minute mark
    Green-SG: Subs for Parker at 2 minute mark (Manu slides to PG offensively;Green guards PG on defensive end)
    Jackson-SF: Subs for Leonard at 2 minute mark

    2nd quarter:

    Manu- PG: Plays first 4 minutes of 2nd quarter
    Green-SG: Plays first 8 minutes of 2nd quarter (guards PG first 4 minutes)
    Jackson-SF: Plays first 4 minutes of 2nd quarter

    Parker- PG: Subs for Manu at 8 minute mark
    Leonard-SF:Subs for Jackson at 8 minute mark

    Manu- SG: Subs for Green at 4 minute mark

    Depending on how Leonard is doing-- Decide on whether to sub in Jackson for him from 4 minute mark and on.

    Total minute distribution:
    MPH(minutes per half)
    Parker-18
    Manu-14
    Leonard-18
    Green-10
    Jackson-12

    MPG
    Parker- 36
    Manu-28
    Leonard-36
    Green-20
    Jackson-24

    In all honesty, I actually like this scenario opposed to figuring out how to squeeze minutes for Neal, who is terrible on D and has the worst shot selection on the team (even if it goes in)-- this trigger-happy decision making can hurt the team's overall efficiency when the defense gets better come playoff time.

    This scenario maximizes minutes for the most effective and efficient, all around wings on the roster.
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    and 5 players last year (those 4 plus Neal). There's only 144 minutes available.
    You mean 4 with Jefferson going MIA: Parker, Neal, Hill, and Manu-- talk about being physically disabled on the perimeter.

    This year's team is entirely different.

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    Let's not forget that Gary has also had some 20 point games. One 20 point game from Patty Mills shouldn't make us forget that.

    Gary's problem is this team has WAY too much depth at the 2-guard spot. Pop's way of keeping Danny Green in the rotation was to turn Neal into a PG so that he wouldn't steal Green's minutes at the 2. This sucks for Gary, because he gets murdered defensively playing the 1 and in turn negates alot of what he brings to this team offensively. If Patty Mills ends up being a good defensive player, which he has shown flashes of while here, Gary Neal will most likely be dropped completely from the rotation, seeing only spot minutes ala James Anderson. Personally, I'd rather see Manu start and Neal back him up at the 2, especially with the playoffs around the corner, but I think Pop likes Green too much to do that.

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    You mean 4 with Jefferson going MIA: Parker, Neal, Hill, and Manu-- talk about being physically disabled on the perimeter.

    This year's team is entirely different.
    Subtract RJ and Hill.

    Add Jack, Leonard, and Green.

    Folks need to stop saying this is the same team as last year.

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    Subtract RJ and Hill.

    Add Jack, Leonard, and Green.

    Folks need to stop saying this is the same team as last year.
    Which was why the trade for Leonard was a move for not only the future but the present as well.

    The trade not only brought in the best SF in the draft but opened up minutes for the Green/Anderson compe ion.

    Winner winner chicken dinner.

    Go Spurs Go.

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    How is this supposed to work?

    Starters: PG: Tony, SG: Jackson, SF: Leonard
    Backups: PG Manu, SG: Green, SF: Who? Neal?
    Take out Tony's 34 minutes and you have 110 minutes for the two wing spots and the 14 minutes of backup PG you need to fill. That's 110 minutes between four guys: Manu, Green, Leonard and Jackson. That's 27.5 mpg per guy.

    With a 9-man playoff rotation (4 bigs), I don't think it's all that crazy or unusual, tbh.

    Manu and Leonard would be like 30 mpg each and the other two would be 25 mpg each. Maybe you use Neal or Mills for two or three minutes per half as a spot player, but not a true "rotation" guy you're counting on.

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    Take out Tony's 34 minutes and you have 110 minutes for the two wing spots and the 14 minutes of backup PG you need to fill. That's 110 minutes between four guys: Manu, Green, Leonard and Jackson. That's 27.5 mpg per guy.

    With a 9-man playoff rotation (4 bigs), I don't think it's all that crazy or unusual, tbh.

    Manu and Leonard would be like 30 mpg each and the other two would be 25 mpg each. Maybe you use Neal or Mills for two or three minutes per half as a spot player, but not a true "rotation" guy you're counting on.
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    In all honesty, I actually like this scenario opposed to figuring out how to squeeze minutes for Neal, who is terrible on D and has the worst shot selection on the team (even if it goes in)-- this trigger-happy decision making can hurt the team's overall efficiency when the defense gets better come playoff time.

    This scenario maximizes minutes for the most effective and efficient, all around wings on the roster.
    I agree. Green or Neal should play based on the match-up and how they're playing at the time. By eliminating Blair and Neal from the rotation, this team would instantly become better defensively, while still being explosive and highly efficient offensively.

    That's not saying Neal, Blair and Mills, would never be needed. When you're attempting to go through four rounds, you need virtually everybody. The Mavs last season were proof of that, when they needed Cardinal and Mahinmi, in Finals games.

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    That shot at the end is why you don't leave Neal out of the playoffs rotation, he could play like an ass all game long but at the end of the game there's nobody else I would trust more to hit a clutch shot. Not Manu, not Tony, not Tim, not Jackson, not anybody.

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    That shot at the end is why you don't leave Neal out of the playoffs rotation, he could play like an ass all game long but at the end of the game there's nobody else I would trust more to hit a clutch shot. Not Manu, not Tony, not Tim, not Jackson, not anybody.
    I suppose that's like letting a doctor hit your kid with his car. At least he can perform CPR.

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    I suppose that's like letting a doctor hit your kid with his car. At least he can perform CPR.
    Yeah, 'cause he has been so ty all year

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    Yeah, 'cause he has been so ty all year
    What's that have to do with anything? From the second quarter on, he was terrible. You're giving him credit for hitting a three when it was maybe the only time in the entire second half that he didn't fumble the ball.

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