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    Was having the banner put up an administrative decision? I say if the kids want it up there then let them. If a Muslim wants his/her beliefs up there then let him/her. If an atheist wants his/her beliefs put up there then let him/her.
    Sure, there are a lot of religions out there. But I doubt they're even nearly all represented at the school (plus, you are assumming anyone of a particular faith would even ask for a banner to be put up there, which is clearly incorrect). And if someone decides to mock the school by coming up with the example you gave, then you simply call it out fo r the bull mockery that it is.
    Faith based banners of any kind asking a ghost dad for guidance have no business in a public school, regardless of what the majority of the kids may or may not want.

    If just one kid wants them removed, they need to remove them

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    Faith based banners of any kind asking a ghost dad for guidance has no business in a public school, regardless of what the majority of the kids may or may not want.
    The girl though has raised her own faith-based banner while making the others take theirs down. The school is being partial to her beliefs.

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    well if you really feel that this will fly, then more power to you. You and I disagree on this. I am pretty sure that if there were ever a situation where something like this was allowed that the moment the religion of the majority didn't have prime position and a religion they hate did, then the problems would begin.

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    The girl though has raised her own faith-based banner while making the others take theirs down. The school is being partial to her beliefs.
    Huh? What faith based banner did this girl raise and where in the school is it located?

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    Huh? What faith based banner did this girl raise and where in the school is it located?
    By having the others take their's down, she put her's up. She might as well have put up a banner that says God doesn't exist. Now, if the adminstration had said said they are not going to have any banners up they would have been impartial in doing so. But its not coming from them, it's coming from the girl who wants it taken down because she doesn't believe in God. Taking it down is a manifestation of her belief, and thus an adminstrative choice in support of her (whether they want to or not).

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    By having the others take their's down, she put her's up. She might as well have put up a banner that says God doesn't exist. Now, if the adminstration had said said they are not going to have any banners up they would have been impartial in doing so. But its not coming from them, it's coming from the girl who wants it taken down because she doesn't believe in God. Taking it down is a manifestation of her belief, and thus an adminstrative choice in support of her (whether they want to or not).
    Taking down a religious banner is not metaphorically raising an atheist banner up.

    It's stupid and naive to think it is.

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    Taking down a religious banner is not metaphorically raising an atheist banner up.

    It's stupid and naive to think it is.
    Not in all cases, but I believe that in this case it would be particularly naive and stupid to believe it is not.

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    Not in all cases, but I believe that in this case it would be particularly naive and stupid to believe it is not.
    Even if I agreed with that, that argument still sucks

    since it's a metaphorical and not a physical banner, it would simply be a matter of time before it's forgotten, making it worth taking all physical religious banners down asap.

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    Oh, you agree with it. She didn't call for the banner to be removed so much as it was uncons utional as much as it was a metaphorical/subtle statement of her beliefs. She can and will hide behind the supposed uncons utionality of the banner but she knows, I know, and you know (don't give me the "even if I agreed" baloney) that her taking down the banner was a belief based act, not a cons utional one. She wasn't sent flowers by cons utionalists, she was send flowers by atheist organizations who actively try and promote atheism and eliminate religion, and hide behind the cons ution to do so.

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    Oh, you agree with it.
    No I don't.

    She didn't call for the banner to be removed so much as it was uncons utional as much as it was a metaphorical/subtle statement of her beliefs. She can and will hide behind the supposed uncons utionality of the banner but she knows, I know, and you know (don't give me the "even if I agreed" baloney) that her taking down the banner was a belief based act, not a cons utional one. She wasn't sent flowers by cons utionalists, she was send flowers by atheist organizations who actively try and promote atheism and eliminate religion, and hide behind the cons ution to do so.
    The metaphorical atheist banner is as much a figment of your imagination as a heavenly father is.

    lol your imaginary war on religion

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    Separation of church and state was a platform put into the cons ution by militant atheists

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    Separation of church and state was a platform put into the cons ution by militant atheists
    Thomas Jefferson is not loved by thumpers. I found this gem:

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolve..._jefferson.htm

    I was greatly saddened to learn that Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) was NOT a Christian. Jefferson made so many wonderful patriotic quotes concerning freedom and the dangers of the central bank. I was amazed as I watched a PBS do entary on the life of Thomas Jefferson. He was a scientist first, a farmer second and politician last. Jefferson was a witty inventor.

    Jefferson was an accomplished architect. George Washington and Jefferson laid out the city of Washington D.C., clearly in an occult manner. Both men were high-level Freemasons. Jefferson's Monticello estate was superb. He also designed the state house for Virginia.

    It is tragic that such a brilliant man would be so foolish as to reject the Word of God. I realize that there are historical writings which reveal that Thomas Jefferson claimed to be a Christian, including an actual photo of Jefferson's handwritten statement “I am a real Christian.” Albeit, just as most professed Christians today are not true born-again believers, the following quotes from Mr. Jefferson make it quite clear that he was NO Christian:

    “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.” —Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

    Here you clearly learn that Jefferson denied Jesus' virgin birth, and so denied the Son of God. Jefferson was an incredible orator, admirably patriotic and certainly spoke the truth about the evils of the central banks. Sadly, Jefferson's writings reveal him to be no Christian . . .

    "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

    "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " — Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

    "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites" –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

    "Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

    "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, cons ute the real Anti-Christ."

    "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

    SOURCE: Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat.
    I see eye to eye with Tom tbh

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    Oh, you agree with it. She didn't call for the banner to be removed so much as it was uncons utional as much as it was a metaphorical/subtle statement of her beliefs. She can and will hide behind the supposed uncons utionality of the banner but she knows, I know, and you know (don't give me the "even if I agreed" baloney) that her taking down the banner was a belief based act, not a cons utional one. She wasn't sent flowers by cons utionalists, she was send flowers by atheist organizations who actively try and promote atheism and eliminate religion, and hide behind the cons ution to do so.
    Why couldn't it be both and how is lack of belief, belief. The lack of happy is not happy.

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    No I don't.



    The metaphorical atheist banner is as much a figment of your imagination as a heavenly father is.

    lol your imaginary war on religion
    Lol with the personal attack. I'm not arguing what is and isn't real in terms of faith. Done that with you already. I have no intention of getting into a discussion that amounts to the revalation your faith is just as cyclical as mine.

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    Why couldn't it be both and how is lack of belief, belief. The lack of happy is not happy.
    Her motive could've been cons utional and belief-based, but I doubt it. Atheists don't simply not believe in God, they loathe the entire idea of God and are extremely disrespectful to those who believe in God, as shown by Blake and other militant atheists on this site, and that's what they are primarily driven by. The cons ution is just cover they hide their agenda behind like pussies.

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    I personally hate how liberals have turned the cons ution upside-down.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to pe ion the Government for a redress of grievances.
    There is no Separation of Church and State clause. It's one-way... that congress will not interfere with religion, yet they do so all the time.

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    Lol with the personal attack.
    Lol just clowning you


    I'm not arguing what is and isn't real in terms of faith. Done that with you already. I have no intention of getting into a discussion that amounts to the revalation your faith is just as cyclical as mine.
    I don't have an active faith that there is no creator. If I had to guess, I'd say there isn't, but I don't care enough to call myself an atheist and join an atheist club.

    What I do know is that the Bible is a crock of unbelievable fantasy that has no place in a public school aside from a literature or possibly a philosophy class.
    My stance on the Bible doesn't come from faith; it comes from logic.

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    Her motive could've been cons utional and belief-based, but I doubt it. Atheists don't simply not believe in God, they loathe the entire idea of God and are extremely disrespectful to those who believe in God, as shown by Blake and other militant atheists on this site, and that's what they are primarily driven by. The cons ution is just cover they hide their agenda behind like pussies.
    Who gives a what her motive is. It's either acceptable to hang the banner or it isn't.

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    I personally hate how liberals have turned the cons ution upside-down.



    There is no Separation of Church and State clause. It's one-way... that congress will not interfere with religion, yet they do so all the time.
    You're right. Theocracy is the way to go. Maybe then troposphere explosions can become curriculum.

    And its not 'how liberals have turned the cons ution upside-down.'

    Research the SCOTUS case 'Reynolds v US' from 1879. I am not surprised that you do not understand this or how SCOTUS interprets law using common law. You cannot even grasp the notion of presumption.

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    I personally hate how liberals have turned the cons ution upside-down.



    There is no Separation of Church and State clause. It's one-way... that congress will not interfere with religion, yet they do so all the time.
    I personally love the way you take silly pot shots at "liberals" in seemingly every thread.

    You are one stupid partisan moron.

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    I personally hate how liberals have turned the cons ution upside-down.



    There is no Separation of Church and State clause. It's one-way... that congress will not interfere with religion, yet they do so all the time.
    I personally love the way you take silly pot shots at "liberals" in seemingly every thread.

    You are one stupid partisan moron.

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    Some laws are so clearly written, it is wrong to find a legal way to reverse their intent.

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    I personally love the way you take silly pot shots at "liberals" in seemingly every thread.

    You are one stupid partisan moron.
    I just despise liberals who are mindless. Not all are, but it seems most here are.

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    You are one stupid partisan moron.
    Partisan to what ideal?

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    Some laws are so clearly written, it is wrong to find a legal way to reverse their intent.
    This isn't a freedom of religion issue. It's an establishment of religion issue.

    You're a ing idiot.

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