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Bad timing...trying to get off the ground when the economy crashed. That sucks.
^^ yeah they has a lesser model that was starting at like 28K.
But almost everyone was holding out for their advertised much better-to-come model. Even that one was only gonna be like 40-45K.
Trunk space up the ass as they showed how two large surboards could fit in. Something like 14 grocery store bags no problemo.
Safety i think it far exceeded conventional vehicles as they proved this in verified crash testing. Yeah i was geeked and would have considered the newer upgraded version.
Bad timing...trying to get off the ground when the economy crashed. That sucks.
yeah. My hard core RePub business associate thinks the oil co's were scared in 2008 when several of these high mileage cars were introed. He says that is what lowered gas to 1.85 (remember that towards the end of Bush2
But i don't think the oil pigs are scared of anything or anyone.
I am surprised that Aptera says they are only an investor check away from continuing while they list their current investors as one being Google.
Apparantly Google has said "enough" too.
Wonder if they hit up Boone Pickens?
only if they make it run off of natural gas.yeah. My hard core RePub business associate thinks the oil co's were scared in 2008 when several of these high mileage cars were introed. He says that is what lowered gas to 1.85 (
But i don't think the oil pigs are scared of anything or anyone.
I am surprised that Aptera says they are only an investor check away from continuing while they list their current investors as one being Google.
Apparantly Google has said "enough" too.
Wonder if they hit up Boone Pickens?
You only have 35 miles of electric driving from the Volt to get the 94 MPGe, after which you burn gas and get about 37 MPG. Withe the Roadster, you have a 245 mile range with electric, and at a slightly higher MPGe. I don't think I can do my daily routine with Volt between charges, especially when the low side of the electric range is 25 miles. Then there was the smog rating too. The rating of 6 I believe is worse than most modern gas only cars.
Fleet customers != retail consumers. If I was a fleet owner, I wouldn't be buying something like this, either.
"You only have 35 miles of electric driving from the Volt to get the 94 MPGe, after which you burn gas and get about 37 MPG. Withe the Roadster, you have a 245 mile range with electric, and at a slightly higher MPGe. I don't think I can do my daily routine with Volt between charges, especially when the low side of the electric range is 25 miles. Then there was the smog rating too. The rating of 6 I believe is worse than most modern gas only cars."
The smog rating is relative to the other cars in it's class. Has no comparison at all to pure internal combustion ratings.
That may be true. I was thinking it had to do more with the engine turning on and off, never maintaining heat for the emission features to work at optimum, and the catalytic converter especially.
Rental car companies are fleet customers.
"May be true..." :facepalm
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/Aboutratings.do
Please note that a vehicle's scores and SmartWay status reflect its environmental performance relative to other vehicles for model years with the same scoring thresholds only.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. What you said made perfect sense.
Does it also make sense of what I said about the emission features?
I didn't look, but do we know how the on-off cycle compares with a constant running engine? Most modern engines are near zero emission once they are at operating temperature. Do you fail to have an open mind, or do you also already know the answer to that?
BTW, I've seen charging stations at my local Santikos theater, but I've never seen any cars using them.
What I said was absolutely the truth.
The rest is unrelated to the smog rating index being discussed.
What about the total smog for driving 50 miles a day?
I'm not disagreeing with you. I simply pointed out the smog index for a different reason than you latched on to.
"Then there was the smog rating too. The rating of 6 I believe is worse than most modern gas only cars."
Just stop.
somewhat related
Myth Busters showed a much smaller motorcycle engine made a lot more pollution than a full sized car.
If the hybrid cars don't have emission control on their engines, they could be worse than non-hybrids.
Why?
If you know for a fact I am wrong, then say so, and please link if you know where to find the info. If you just think I am wrong, then say so.
I am not saying I'm right either. "I believe" is not anything definitive.
I am not saying this only because I saw a "6." As I pointed out, and it is my main reasoning, such hybrid engines do not maintain an optimum operational temperature.
FYI...
I started doing a little digging around on the internet. The Smog rating is for the came class of bar by size. Compact, sub compact, mid, etc. This number is the same rating scale for hybrids, gas, diesel, and multifuel.
I'll bet there are some gasoline only compact cars that do better than 6.
I don't get why people are acting like consumers only buy economically efficient cars. There's more to a car than how well it drives and how much it costs.
I completely agree with that.
I'm thinking of buying a later model muscle car myself. I even considered a classic 1969 Cougar convertible last week.
I was discussing a car with some coworkers. Some are bent on fuel economy. I probably drive 500 miles a month max. Fuel prices don't hurt me much.
Tesha...
The rating the Volt has on Smog of 6 is nothing to write home about. Doing a little research, it just means the car produces 50% less smog than the average car for that model year. Knowing that now, I can almost guarantee there are gasoline cars that have a 7 or 8.
Smog rating of 6 is Bin 4 and California ULEV II rated. Smog 7 is Bin 3. Smog 8 is Bin 2 and California SULEV II rated which is 90% less than the average model year. I will assume Bin 3 is about 70% less.
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 40 CFR Parts 85, 86, and 600
Again, I'll bet if I walked around on some new car lost, I can find some non hybrid gasoline cars with a Smog rating of 7.
The rating is relative only to the cars within it's class...ie a score of 6 for a hybrid is not better than a score of 5 for a non hybrid.
You cannot compare the two scores in any meaningful manner. The index is not a direct measurement. It is a rating of a cars position relative to a standard for it's class. You are demonstrably incorrect in your assumptions as I have already shown. Stop already.
Under the new system, two scores-one for smog-forming emissions, one for carbon-dioxide-will be given on new-vehicle window stickers. Both will be have a simple score system from 1 to 10, with 10 being the cleanest.
The new Smog Scores will correspond to real emissions classifications. For instance, a ULEV vehicle will receive a 5, PZEVs will be 9, and ZEVs will get a 10. Based on 2007 model year vehicles, most vehicles rated 4 and 5, though the numbers will migrate upward. The system is set to be revisited for 2012.
With the so-called Global Warming Score, it would be the first notification of any sort to be required on new U.S. vehicles that directly associates carbon dioxide emissions with global warming.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f16a83c
If you really want to figure this out, WC, dismiss the notion that these are meaningful scores in any manner other than a relative metric. Otherwise, it makes no sense that an Altima SL gets a better rating than a Sentra SpecV even though they use the same 2.5-liter QR25DE engine.
Aptera got smashed because the market for new cars tanked, more than anything else in the recession per se.
The ideas and patents aren't dead. They just didn't get financing this time around.
Gas will continue to get more expensive.
At some point in the near future, I could see myself going the electric route for my daily commute.
I love having electrics at the ranch. Once I get there my truck never moves again until I leave.
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