Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[Yonivore]

he needed a reason to use his gun first and he got it. he didn't bring his gun out that night for show n tell.

As a CHL licensee, I suspect he was armed more than he was not. That's the purpose of a CHL.

and he was a self appointed neighborhood watchmen, the neighbors did not appoint him.

It's enough for me that he was a resident of the neighborhood.

I seem to recall he wasn't on "patrol" but either headed out of the neighborhood or coming back in, when Trayvon caught his attention.

[Wild Cobra]

people dont think rationally remember

Are you implying that a passive unknown situation is as intense as an active attack situation?

[Trill Clinton]

Well, if you were familiar with the neighborhood and where the shooting took place, when Zimmerman said, " ! he's running." Zimmerman left his truck parked because Martin took off running away from the street and to an area that runs behind two rows of townhome -- where there isn't a vehicle access.


I haven't heard about the wife but the cop was in plain clothes and accosting a friend of his. Yeah, he copped an at ude and got arrested for it but, the charges were dismissed.

Tell me about the wife.


Not even the investigators that wrote the affidavit are alleging that. There is zero evidence Zimmerman ever reentered his truck after he said, " ! he's running," and started following.


That's an important question. One of the transcripts I read I think showed it was over 4 minutes long and that it lasted another minute and a half after the " ! he's running" comment.

I'll see if I can find that transcript again and verify.

The more important question -- and this can be verified by the time stamps on both the Zimmerman call and the girlfriend call -- is how long after Zimmerman hung up with police did the altercation occur. What time did the Zimmerman call end and what time did the girlfriend call get terminated because of the fight?

I'd like to know. I'm sure it'll be presented at trial.

My theory is the shorter the time difference, the more likely it is Martin returned to Zimmerman and confronted him. The longer the time span, the more possible it is Zimmerman continued his search for Martin after the call and confronted him.

But, another piece of evidence will also demonstrate this -- how long after the Zimmerman call ended did the police arrive at the scene. I've heard less than 3 minutes...which means the shooting happened no more than three minutes after the end of the call.

my mistake, it was an ex-fiance. once again it comes into question, who was the aggressor...gotta give it to ol george, he's good at covering his ass

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ts-injunctions

[Wild Cobra]

Well, if you were familiar with the neighborhood and where the shooting took place, when Zimmerman said, " ! he's running." Zimmerman left his truck parked because Martin took off running away from the street and to an area that runs behind two rows of townhome -- where there isn't a vehicle access.

You mean he didn't drive the truck through everyone's yards, pursuing Martin?

Geez...

By the sounds of these people, you would think he did.

[Blake]

LOL...

A 6'3" athletic football player thinking he can't outrun a older, slightly pudgy man of 5'9"?

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That's good....

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Nobody is faster than a bullet.

[Trill Clinton]

As a CHL licensee, I suspect he was armed more than he was not. That's the purpose of a CHL.


It's enough for me that he was a resident of the neighborhood.

I seem to recall he wasn't on "patrol" but either headed out of the neighborhood or coming back in, when Trayvon caught his attention.

Yea and up until the night in question he never saw any black teenage boys walking in the neighborhood at night. He finally spotted one and couldn't let him get away.

[Yonivore]

Anyone watch the video of the bail hearing?


Z apologized to the family, which really seemed to infuriate the prosecutor.

I also found it odd that the prosecutor said, on several occastions "On the date you comitted this crime..." and the defense counsel didn't say squat. Bizarre.

I heard the defense attorney, in an interview a while ago, say the reason Zimmerman took the stand was specifically to answer the questions Trayvon Martin's mother asked in that press conference -- when she was asked, "If you could ask George Zimmerman anything, what would you ask him."

He also wanted to apologize for being involved in the tragic loss of their son.

I think the Defense Attorney let the prosecutor make himself look like a badgering idiot because, it makes his client look more sympathetic. The judge had already said cross examination would be limited and they wouldn't be trying any of the facts in the case.

I don't think it harms Zimmerman at all.

[Wild Cobra]

The more important question -- and this can be verified by the time stamps on both the Zimmerman call and the girlfriend call -- is how long after Zimmerman hung up with police did the altercation occur. What time did the Zimmerman call end and what time did the girlfriend call get terminated because of the fight?

I'd like to know. I'm sure it'll be presented at trial.

I believe that time was reported as two minutes, but I'm not 100% certain.

[Creepn]

Then doesn't it seem kind of stupid to call the police, when if he knew there would be no witnesses, he could just shoot, and disappear?

Black people don't easily pick up the phone to call the police as with white people. Why? There are two different cultures and history in regards to the police that makes this so. Calling the police is a last resort type of thing for the black community.

[Wild Cobra]

"Stand your ground" law may not even be an issue. IF what Z claims is true, and what evidence made public seems to suggest, that Z was getting his head pounded into the sidewalk, then it may be straight up self-defense.

I'm pretty sure that's what they have claimed from the start.

[Trill Clinton]

Are you implying that a passive unknown situation is as intense as an active attack situation?

im implying that he has consitantly called 911 to report mainly african americans for various crimes. He had no luck in apprehending any of his so called suspects. that night he saw trayvon his adrenaline shot through the roof and all reasonable thinking went out of the window and he acted irrationally.

[Yonivore]

Yea and up until the night in question he never saw any black teenage boys walking in the neighborhood at night. He finally spotted one and couldn't let him get away.

I think he had called 911/311 over 40 times in the previous few months.

How many of those were about su ious persons? I don't know.

How many of those were instances where Zimmerman was compelled to follow someone? I don't know.

I'm sure that, too, will be discussed at trial.

[CosmicCowboy]

Black people don't easily pick up the phone to call the police as with white people. Why? There are two different cultures and history in regards to the police that makes this so. Calling the police is a last resort type of thing for the black community.

Could be a good reason a lot of them end up dead, too.

[TheMACHINE]

Turn it around. If you're unarmed and living in a neighborhood with a rash of burglaries, and an unknown guy carrying a weapon starts following you, what do you do? What would you think that guys is?

run.

I dont think "stand your ground" works in Martins case especially if you say he is getting followed by a man with a weapon. He hasnt got attacked yet, there was no altercation at the time. Stand your ground states you can use force if you "did not provoke the assault, and had at the time reasonable grounds to believe, and in good faith believed, that the deceased intended to take his life, or do him great bodily harm..."

Thats what we do not know as of yet. But for now, the story is that Trayvon provoked it....so thats what's gonna be argued.

[Wild Cobra]

Black people don't easily pick up the phone to call the police as with white people. Why? There are two different cultures and history in regards to the police that makes this so. Calling the police is a last resort type of thing for the black community.

Is that the same culture that has so many more incidents of black related crime?

[Creepn]

Could be a good reason a lot of them end up dead, too.

A lot of them by police hands.

[Creepn]

Is that the same culture that has so many more incidents of black related crime?

No, not the same culture. It's the culture that many innocent blacks gets harrassed, beaten,and/or killed by police.

[Wild Cobra]

im implying that he has consitantly called 911 to report mainly african americans for various crimes. He had no luck in apprehending any of his so called suspects. that night he saw trayvon his adrenaline shot through the roof and all reasonable thinking went out of the window and he acted irrationally.

Do you realize that you have said inaccurate information twice, in your first sentence?

Zimmerman has primarily called the non-emergency police line in most cases, including that night. Not 911.

If you read the police incidents on the internet, you cannot substantiate you claim of race. the record clearly shows you are wrong.

What reverse racist crap are you listening to?

[TheMACHINE]

i bet we're gonna hear that Trayvon is linked to some of those past burglaries in a few weeks. lol

[Wild Cobra]

i bet we're gonna hear that Trayvon is linked to some of those past burglaries in a few weeks. lol

I already passed along the random thought that I wondered if the dates of the burglaries would coincide with the visits to his father.

[Trill Clinton]

I think he had called 911/311 over 40 times in the previous few months.

How many of those were about su ious persons? I don't know.

How many of those were instances where Zimmerman was compelled to follow someone? I don't know.

I'm sure that, too, will be discussed at trial.

did some quick searching and 9 of those calls were for su ious persons. would love to know what race those su ious persons were.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html

but I would like to know the answers to your questions as well

[Creepn]

Do you realize that you have said inaccurate information twice, in your first sentence?

Zimmerman has primarily called the non-emergency police line in most cases, including that night. Not 911.

If you read the police incidents on the internet, you cannot substantiate you claim of race. the record clearly shows you are wrong.

What reverse racist crap are you listening to?

lol Please. You seriously trying to say that Zimmerman did not recognize that Martin was black? lmao. His skin color is what made Zimmerman su ious of him in the first place!

[Trill Clinton]

Is that the same culture that has so many more incidents of black related crime?

yup and that is a whole nother thread

[Creepn]

did some quick searching and 9 of those calls were for su ious persons. would love to know what race those su ious persons were.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html

but I would like to know the answers to your questions as well

They were black.

[Wild Cobra]

lol Please. You seriously trying to say that Zimmerman did not recognize that Martin was black? lmao. His skin color is what made Zimmerman su ious of him in the first place!

What a prejudicial assumption you make.

Please show me in the record where he only called about su ious black people. You can't. Do you have any idea how many were white? I challenge you to read the online police reports available for yourself to see.