The trademarks and copyrighted phrases, the civil suit. The family will be set for life, even if Zimmerman never goes to jail.
Fuzzy and Skeptic are going all in on the earwitness when the defense is holding trips on eyewitnesses. I want to play poker with these idiots.
The trademarks and copyrighted phrases, the civil suit. The family will be set for life, even if Zimmerman never goes to jail.
Hahaha... you remember all the about Trayvon's anonymous, underage "girlfriend", from the press conference? (Underage being important, because it means they could keep her iden y a secret.) How she was on the phone with Trayvon for 400 minutes on the day of the shooting? How she was just so devastated about his death, and couldn't even make herself attend the funeral?
Well they have tracked her down, and dredged up her Twitter history. And guess what? It's all bull . Oh, the girl exists, and she did talk to Trayvon on the telephone. But virtually ALL of the rest of the narrative is a big, steaming pile. We don't know what was actually said on the phone calls that evening. But there is sure as no reference to ANY problems in the girl's tweets. In fact, you could say that her tweets were... abnormal? for someone who has just been on a life-and-death call with her "boyfriend".
The attornies thought they prevented anyone from seeing her tweets, by scrubbing the accounts, and deleting them ahead of time. I guess the dumb s actually believed that something could be totally scrubbed from the Internet that easily.
So if you really mean what you said - that you might buy it if not for the account of the girlfriend - you might want to wait before making a final opinion.
BTW - another little fun fact that I didn't know. Under Florida law, the parents can't bring a civil suit unless there is an arrest. If I were a more cynical person, I might think that had something to do with all the media circus, and the fake narrative about the girlfriend. But I know that greedy-ass attornies never do things like that.
What are you talking about? I just asked if there were any actual official reports of witnesses or interviews of witnesses that have been seen. I don't watch TV other than sports and definitely not TV news.
I have read all kinds of conflicting print reports as to the he said she said game. i mean for s sake we are talking about a WC comment as if hes not well known for just making up.
Is there other official witness reports, transcripts or videos of interviews with witnesses that I have not seen that you can point me to? I have looked and not found anything.
Do you have anything to substantiate any of this. I know that CC who at least will not lie out of course would be all over that if it was the case.
I mean why should we believe you of all people after your claims as to what is typical in terms of Florida indictments or what is necessary to be included in a PC affidavit anywhere in the US?
Your full of quite often. How is this any different?
I know how about you accuse us of trying to pigeonhole a narrative and then refuse to talk about anything other than the Himalayan snowfall for a couple of days?
For real? Well, there was an arrest, right? Me thinks the girlfriend should get a cut of the t-shirt money too.
"He could've been the next President, he could've been the next Steve Jobs..."
Where the is Dexter on this? If this happened on Dexter, the suspect would be on Dexter's table. I wonder if this incident could be in an episode of Dexter? Too soon?
If you've followed this story closely, there is no eyewitness that has been reported who has provided strong evidence one way or another.
First off, it was very dark at the time of the shooting and I believe it was raining as well. A couple of the 911 calls referred to a man in a white t-shirt, which neither was wearing. Most eyewitnesses have admitted that it was hard to see due to the darkness.
Secondly, If you are referring to the witness "John" who identified the screaming man on the bottom as wearing a red sweater, his testimony was that upon seeing the fight, he went into his townhouse to call 911 and that when he looked down the guy on the top was then face down on the ground and dead.
That testimony is not a game changing piece of evidence because he's already admitted that he did not see who was on the bottom at the time the actual shot was fired. Several witnesses have stated they saw Z and M wrestling, so obviously the person who was on top at one moment wasn't necessarily on top the entirety of the fight.
It is definitely good evidence for Zimmerman if he's credible and no one contradicts him and likely would kill any hope of a Murder-2 conviction, but the fact that he was in his townhouse when the shot was fired and he didn't see what transpired moments before the shot weakens the value of his testimony.
I don't see it as gamechanging because you still have to have a reasonable fear for your life in order to use deadly force. You have to convince a jury why you were justified in elevating a street fight into a killing and took a 17 year old's life who was unarmed and not committing any crime. Now if an eyewitness would testify that he saw Trayvon bashing George's head into the ground or trying to take Z's gun or yelling tha Z was going to die, that is a different story altogether and Z will obviously walk.
Some posters on this thread seem to believe that the mere fact there was a fight is exculpatory evidence and means Z is innocent. But the law is clear that in order to be justified in using deadly force, there has to be a reasonable fear of severe bodily injury or death. Does this wrestling in the street rise to that level? No. Does having your head bashed into the ground? Yes. However, if there's an eyewitness who has stated this that's news to me.
Lastly there is no reported eyewitness who saw the fight from start to finish. Each of the ones who has come forward at one point went into their house to call 911. You typically get much more powerful evidence from an eyewitness than you are going to in this case.
Setting aside eyewitnesses or earwitnesses or FBI tape analysis, I think the common sense aspect is the one that's the toughest for Zimmerman to overcome when a jury listens to the evidence. Zimmeran just may have screwed the pooch and incriminated himself by giving a try to the police that is inconsistent with other known facts.
The prosecutor testified at the bail hearing that Z told police he was having his head bashed into the ground while being suffocated by Trayvon. Obviously you can't be being suffocated yet audibly in an unmuffled manner yell for help for a 45 second duration. You just can't.
Furthermore, why would you be yelling for help one second prior to having made a conscious and voluntary decision to shoot someone attacking you?
The prosecution will be able to prove that there was less than one second between the last cry for help and the gunshot. It's on the tape.
The issue for Z in this case is that his story just doesn't add up... I am willing to bet that the prosecution relies more on the inconsistencies in his stories than on an earwitness.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urq1eAxdRE8
Here is the 911 call.
:40 - Audible, clear yell of "Help"
:41- Audbile, clear gunshot
For those who think it was Zimmerman's voice on this tape, please explain why you believe that the guy holding the gun and firing a shot is yelling help? How is that more believable than the guy who knows he's about to get shot yelling for help?
What would be the need to yell for help if you are in the process of firing a gun?
Link it or shut it....
Ok. If he's after his 15 minutes of fame, then what possible incentive could he have for being inaccurate? His resume is impressive, his software has been admitted in court before, and people like ElNono have been agreeing that the technology isn't that much of a problem.
While he could make the headlines by manipulating the results, if it was later proven that he was completely and utterly wrong that would really damage his professional credibility and his ability to gain clients in the future. If anything, that gives him even more reason to make sure that his findings are correct.
Again. There's no money to be made by lying about whether or not it's her son's voice on the tape. I've been following this case fairly closely and I believe that her grief is genuine and that she's able to recognize the voice of her child.
The trademark probably just means that she got sound legal advice. And I would hope that they'd launch a civil suit on Zimmerman since I've been advocating that approach from the beginning.
Pretty sure it was a chest shot.
Link?
And also, the phone records corroborate her story somewhat.
You've saved me a lot of typing tbh. Thanks.
With respect to the bolded and the story about Zimmerman getting his head bashed into the concrete, I thought that this needed repeating:
"The prosecuting attorney, after saying "I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today," is back to ask questions of state attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath, after O'Mara asked questions challenging the state's assertions.
The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes."
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/20...rge-zimmerman/
Judging by that link I think it's safe to assume that while Zimmerman did hit his head on something and sustain some injuries, the severe head bashing that he used to justify the use of his gun didn't happen. Just saying.
But after reading what else was in that link, I think I'm starting to form a timeline in my head that would take most of the evidence we've seen into account. I'll see if I can put it together later.
ABC News is reporting that the individual who took the photograph of Zimmerman's bloody head 3 minutes after the shooting saw visible gunpowder on Trayvon's sweatshirt
Trayvon was found face down per the police report.
Zimmerman claims he was underneath Trayvon and shot him in the chest, but that Trayvon fell over after being shot which is how he ended up face down.
But if Zimmerman's claim is true, how did the photographer see gunpowder on Trayvon's sweatshirt? It is another bit, like the 911 call and eyewitness statements from Cutcher and her roommate, which are more consistent with Zimmerman shooting Trayvon in the back.
I've heard this one as well but I thought I'd wait for the official report before deciding anything one way or another.
If he shot the kid in the back it's a completely different story in my opinion. Since they were also fairly close when Zimmerman fired (if it was in the back) I could also understand the charge of murder 2 to be honest.
I'm thinking that the bullet forensics will just show that Zimmerman shot him while in a physically dominant position though. Didn't the funeral director or whoever say that it was just the bullet to the chest?
I believe he did. I wish more facts were released, especially on forensic evidence. There seem to be more questions than answers.
Come to think of it, if he was shot in the back the prosecution would have mentioned that in the bail hearing, so there must be some other explanation for the photographer's observation
Perhaps the photographer didn't notice the gunpowder until the police rolled Martin over on his chest to try CPR and that's when he noticed the residue and the wording of the ABC article was misleading.
Lol@ whites getting " ed with" by cops just as much as blacks. Them giving you a hard time for speeding or underage drinking is not the same as getting shot in cold blood as many cops have done to black men.
Well this is obviously a high profile case. Many people could be using trayvons death, name and image to make money. Why not copyright it? Would you allow strangers to capitalize on your childs death?
We've all seen the photos released by the Martin family's attornies. Trayvon was a skinny, angelic 12-year-old who was totally unfamiliar with things like fights. And it was important that everyone see Trayvon that way, to get the reaction they wanted. After all, how could anyone see that little child as any kind of threat? Zimmerman was obviously lying.
The first photo (that I hadn't seen until last night) shows the size of Trayvon's arms. It's slightly more recent than those press photos. The second shows Trayvon refereeing a fight near his school. I guess if I was trying to set up a big payoff through a civil suit, I wouldn't show these photos either. [Note: go ahead and try to say it's not him. I mean, just because someone on the video calls him by name, and it's at the school he went to. Could be another, look-alike Trayvon, right?]
BTW - look at the :36 mark of the video. See the hand, pushing the kid forward? Do any of the other kids look like they are wearing long-sleeved dress shirts and watches? To me, it looks a lot more like one of the teachers was outside watching the fights. Pretty sick if it is. I know, I know - a kid could dress that way if he wants to. But he sure would be out of place.
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We've all seen the photos released by the Martin family's attornies. Trayvon was a skinny, angelic 12-year-old who was totally unfamiliar with things like fights. And it was important that everyone see Trayvon that way, to get the reaction they wanted. After all, how could anyone see that little child as any kind of threat? Zimmerman was obviously lying.
The first photo (that I hadn't seen until last night) shows the size of Trayvon's arms. It's slightly more recent than those press photos. The second shows Trayvon refereeing a fight near his school. I guess if I was trying to set up a big payoff through a civil suit, I wouldn't show these photos either. [Note: go ahead and try to say it's not him. I mean, just because someone on the video calls him by name, and it's at the school he went to. Could be another, look-alike Trayvon, right?]
BTW - look at the :36 mark of the video. See the hand, pushing the kid forward? Do any of the other kids look like they are wearing long-sleeved dress shirts and watches? To me, it looks a lot more like one of the teachers was outside watching the fights. Pretty sick if it is. I know, I know - a kid could dress that way if he wants to. But he sure would be out of place.
And this proves Zimmerman was right to chase down and kill an unarmed high school kid minding his own business how?
The apologists here for right-wing/Repug/"Christian" racists will always defend killing blacks, "they deserved it", they're Welfare Queens in Cadillacs, they're genetically inferior (in so many words), etc, etc.
I never hated on her decision, the bills need to get paid and you're right - some jerk could've easily come into the picture and copyrighted stuff. I was responding to a question asking "what money?"
His claim is a match should be at least 90% and the match between Zimmerman talking and the screaming for help was only 48%. that only means it is not a conclusive match. It does not mean it wasn't Zimmerman's voice in both cases. Only at one point is he quoted and it appears he is talking about statistics. Statistics do not make facts. There was not enough of a voice sample to make an accurate comparison, especially since normal talking and screaming like a stuck pig are two completely different cir stances.
What does he have to gain? He might solidly believe Zimmerman is guilty, and with more court ordered samples can prove such. Thing is, it's not going to happen with the samples he has. I think he's wrong, and will end up looking like a fool.
Is this how you operate. Throw out some and when people call you out on doing it, you just ignore it until the next day for the next round of bull ? gmfb.We've all seen the photos released by the Martin family's attornies. Trayvon was a skinny, angelic 12-year-old who was totally unfamiliar with things like fights. And it was important that everyone see Trayvon that way, to get the reaction they wanted. After all, how could anyone see that little child as any kind of threat? Zimmerman was obviously lying.
The first photo (that I hadn't seen until last night) shows the size of Trayvon's arms. It's slightly more recent than those press photos. The second shows Trayvon refereeing a fight near his school. I guess if I was trying to set up a big payoff through a civil suit, I wouldn't show these photos either. [Note: go ahead and try to say it's not him. I mean, just because someone on the video calls him by name, and it's at the school he went to. Could be another, look-alike Trayvon, right?]
BTW - look at the :36 mark of the video. See the hand, pushing the kid forward? Do any of the other kids look like they are wearing long-sleeved dress shirts and watches? To me, it looks a lot more like one of the teachers was outside watching the fights. Pretty sick if it is. I know, I know - a kid could dress that way if he wants to. But he sure would be out of place.
Oh and that picture of that arm looks straight up RIPPED!
Another post from the land of stupid.
I have a counter example. Lets say someone administers and IQ test to you and it comes back a 55. That 55 is a statistic. The statement WC's IQ is a 55 is a fact.
If you meausre my height the tape measure reads. 6'3". Again both a stat and a fact.
The rest of your comment is not worth responding to because even with all your amazing google knowledge on forensic voice analysis we do not have enough information one way or another to make the assertions you claim.
...I don't really know where to begin here...I just don't have the time...
Look I hate to post and run but let's just say that I'm going with Owen/Trayvon's mother on this one unless the defense can put together a decent refutation (which they won't be able to imo).
We've all seen the photos released by the Martin family's attornies. Trayvon was a skinny, angelic 12-year-old who was totally unfamiliar with things like fights. And it was important that everyone see Trayvon that way, to get the reaction they wanted. After all, how could anyone see that little child as any kind of threat? Zimmerman was obviously lying.
The first photo (that I hadn't seen until last night) shows the size of Trayvon's arms. It's slightly more recent than those press photos. The second shows Trayvon refereeing a fight near his school. I guess if I was trying to set up a big payoff through a civil suit, I wouldn't show these photos either. [Note: go ahead and try to say it's not him. I mean, just because someone on the video calls him by name, and it's at the school he went to. Could be another, look-alike Trayvon, right?]
BTW - look at the :36 mark of the video. See the hand, pushing the kid forward? Do any of the other kids look like they are wearing long-sleeved dress shirts and watches? To me, it looks a lot more like one of the teachers was outside watching the fights. Pretty sick if it is. I know, I know - a kid could dress that way if he wants to. But he sure would be out of place.
GSH, nobody's saying that Trayvon was a perfect kid. So what if he got into trouble at school, had a tattoo (or three), and was 6'3? He didn't deserve to die. If anything else, this "evidence" just shows that Trayvon was more or less a normal kid. Your attempts to justify Zimmerman's actions by unfairly demonizing a child who can't speak for himself are awful. Simply awful.
This might be hard for you to believe, but there are people like myself who think Zimmerman is lying for reasons that have nothing to do with Trayvon's photo.
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