Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[clambake]

Who knows. But his race doesn't have anything to do with it. It was the life path he chose.

what did he do, skip some classes? everyone knows that leads to the next scarface.

[cantthinkofanything]

proof of the very bad things Trayvon was doing?

bottom line is, Trayvon was living a normal teenage life before the ruthless GZ who has criminal history of terrorizing innocent women and law enforcement decided to earn his stripes.

GZ lived a good life as a Judge's son and look how his life turned out. You can't say what Trayvon would have went on to do because we don't and will never know because a privilaged child who grew into a killer took his life that night.

I hear where you're coming from but it's easy to say all of that now that Travon is gone. Would you be saying the same thing if Travon had lived and then went and killed a 5 year old in a drive by? Or sold drugs to someone who overdosed? Close you eyes. What if a stray bullet from Travon's gun ripped it's way through the window and ended up killing a loved one?

[clambake]

he probably knocked up a bunch of white girls.

[Trill Clinton]

I hear where you're coming from but it's easy to say all of that now that Travon is gone. Would you be saying the same thing if Travon had lived and then went and killed a 5 year old in a drive by? Or sold drugs to someone who overdosed? Close you eyes. What if a stray bullet from Travon's gun ripped it's way through the window and ended up killing a loved one?

GET THEEE OUTTA HERE!!!

[TheSkeptic]

I hear where you're coming from but it's easy to say all of that now that Travon is gone. Would you be saying the same thing if Travon had lived and then went and killed a 5 year old in a drive by? Or sold drugs to someone who overdosed? Close you eyes. What if a stray bullet from Travon's gun ripped it's way through the window and ended up killing a loved one?

Wow. Just wow.

There's absolutely no evidence that Trayvon was a drug dealer or a gang member. And you shouldn't be assuming the worst of a kid that's passed away without proof.

He got suspended from school, he may have smoked weed, said some stupid things on twitter, and he could have been involved with a bit of petty theft. Those are things that plenty of teenagers do and it's worth pointing out that most of them still go on to be productive adults. They're kids and if we're going to live in a society that insists on extended adolescence, then we need to let teenagers make mistakes and figure life out.

Although Trayvon clearly wasn't a saint, we also know that he loved his family and that he had plans for college. If anything, this combination of good and bad more or less demonstrates that he was a regular 17 year old who was still growing as a person.

I, and I'm sure plenty of other people, would be extremely reluctant to live in a place where not being perfect -and therefore having the potential to hurt other people in the future- is viewed as a fine reason to shoot me dead while I'm walking down the street and then to not even bother investigating the details of my death afterwards.

Even if Trayvon had gone on to be a troublemaker, there's a legal system in place that would have dealt with his crimes after they happened. You don't get to pre-emptively shoot someone over what they *might* do in the future. That's not civilized behaviour and it sets a dangerous precedent.

[cantthinkofanything]

Wow. Just wow.

There's absolutely no evidence that Trayvon was a drug dealer or a gang member. And you shouldn't be assuming the worst of a kid that's passed away without proof.

He got suspended from school, he may have smoked weed, said some stupid things on twitter, and he could have been involved with a bit of petty theft. Those are things that plenty of teenagers do and it's worth pointing out that most of them still go on to be productive adults. They're kids and if we're going to live in a society that insists on extended adolescence, then we need to let teenagers make mistakes and figure life out.

Although Trayvon clearly wasn't a saint, we also know that he loved his family and that he had plans for college. If anything, this combination of good and bad more or less demonstrates that he was a regular 17 year old who was still growing as a person.

I, and I'm sure plenty of other people, would be extremely reluctant to live in a place where not being perfect -and therefore having the potential to hurt other people in the future- is viewed as a fine reason to shoot me dead while I'm walking down the street and then to not even bother investigating the details of my death afterwards.

Even if Trayvon had gone on to be a troublemaker, there's a legal system in place that would have dealt with his crimes after they happened. You don't get to pre-emptively shoot someone over what they *might* do in the future. That's not civilized behaviour and it sets a dangerous precedent.

I think you made my point for me. We have no idea of what atrocities Travon might have gone on to star in. My point was that Zimmerman, while saving his own life, might have saved countless others. Would you be taking this same stance when Travon shot someone close to you? And looking at the big picture, should it matter that the person he was going to shoot isn't related to you?

Again, I'm not saying that Zimmerman was right. In fact, I was the one that presented the evidence that it was Travon's voice crying out for help after he bashed in Zimmerman's head more than he intended to.

But I can't look past the fact that Zimmerman ironically saved more lives by taking a life on that fateful night. Also, another point I made earlier is that if Zimmerman has learned from this lesson, it's probably preventing him from taking the life of someone innocent later.

[clambake]

the kid might have killed a bunch of black people just before being stalked to death.

those murders would never have been reported.

[Geosurface]

It should be abundantly clear cantthinkofanything is joking.

oh btw there is evidence Trayvon was a drug using, drug dealing, jewelry stealing mini-thug. I don't really particularly give a though... the only bad life choice of his I take issue with as relates to this case, was his choice to assault a stranger for doing no more than keeping an eye on him, when he was a guest in that stranger's gated community.

He was a hothead and over-reacted to having an eye kept on him. He had more than enough time, and a headstart on foot over Zimmerman to make it back "home" if that was truly his desire. He had a phone to call 911 if he truly felt GZ was a threat. I do not think he did, I think he knew GZ was su ious of him, and decided to teach this punk ass not to disrespect me or some such nonsense.

[clambake]

It should be abundantly clear cantthinkofanything is joking.

oh btw there is evidence Trayvon was a drug using, drug dealing, jewelry stealing mini-thug. I don't really particularly give a though... the only bad life choice of his I take issue with as relates to this case, was his choice to assault a stranger for doing no more than keeping an eye on him, when he was a guest in that stranger's gated community.

He was a hothead and over-reacted to having an eye kept on him. He had more than enough time, and a headstart on foot over Zimmerman to make it back "home" if that was truly his desire. He had a phone to call 911 if he truly felt GZ was a threat. I do not think he did, I think he knew GZ was su ious of him, and decided to teach this punk ass not to disrespect me or some such nonsense.

george is a confirmed liar.

[Trill Clinton]

I think you made my point for me. We have no idea of what atrocities Travon might have gone on to star in. My point was that Zimmerman, while saving his own life, might have saved countless others. Would you be taking this same stance when Travon shot someone close to you? And looking at the big picture, should it matter that the person he was going to shoot isn't related to you?

Again, I'm not saying that Zimmerman was right. In fact, I was the one that presented the evidence that it was Travon's voice crying out for help after he bashed in Zimmerman's head more than he intended to.

But I can't look past the fact that Zimmerman ironically saved more lives by taking a life on that fateful night. Also, another point I made earlier is that if Zimmerman has learned from this lesson, it's probably preventing him from taking the life of someone innocent later.

only point you're making is painting Trayvon as the "what if villian" while praising GZ for being the hero who saived some hypothetical lives.

smh@ you using a dead kids life to troll

[clambake]

geo is suggesting that the kid run home and lead the killer to his family.

[cantthinkofanything]

only point you're making is painting Trayvon as the "what if villian" while praising GZ for being the hero who saived some hypothetical lives.

smh@ you using a dead kids life to troll

smh @ you making me Google to see if he had a Kindle Fire and a hot teacher who gave it to him.

[Trill Clinton]

It should be abundantly clear cantthinkofanything is joking.

oh btw there is evidence Trayvon was a drug using, drug dealing, jewelry stealing mini-thug. I don't really particularly give a though... the only bad life choice of his I take issue with as relates to this case, was his choice to assault a stranger for doing no more than keeping an eye on him, when he was a guest in that stranger's gated community.

He was a hothead and over-reacted to having an eye kept on him. He had more than enough time, and a headstart on foot over Zimmerman to make it back "home" if that was truly his desire. He had a phone to call 911 if he truly felt GZ was a threat. I do not think he did, I think he knew GZ was su ious of him, and decided to teach this punk ass not to disrespect me or some such nonsense.

He wouldn't had to assault GZ if GZ didn't follow and flash his weapon at Trayzon. Like I said before, anybody in fear of their life FIGHTS TO SURVIVE!!!

I'll ask you this. A stranger follows you, corners you and you see he has a weapon, do you run or fight to survive?


@ Trayvon being the hot head when GZ beats up on women and police officers.

[Fabbs]

How about the watermelon patches that will now live and not be devoured?
Along with numerous chickens that will not be fried and consumed.

[clambake]

everybody knows that george had the gun pointed at him the entire time.

[Trill Clinton]

everybody knows that george had the gun pointed at him the entire time.

Yup, but Trayvon should have turned his back and ran.

[Trill Clinton]

*waits for geosurface to respond with another paragraph about how zimmerman was justified in murdering an innocent child*

[Fabbs]

everybody knows that george had the gun pointed at him the entire time.

What day(s) have you and Trill been depo'd to appear as witnesses?

[Geosurface]

He wouldn't had to assault GZ if GZ didn't follow and flash his weapon at Trayzon. Like I said before, anybody in fear of their life FIGHTS TO SURVIVE!!!

Please cite your source for GZ "flashing" his weapon at TM? Here I'll do you a favor and cite it for you: your imagination

You talk about GZ cornering him... but GZ was just waiting around for police up north of the path that lead to Brandy Green's, and there was physically no way to corner TM... the geography of the area doesn't really allow it. It makes a nice, emotional visual though I'll grant you that.

GZ claims TM approached him, which makes sense given that on the 911 call he was saying he did not know where TM was anymore, that he "ran" that he had gotten away.

But sure, you could doubt GZ's account... but, do you have any real good reason to doubt him? Other than that Trayvon is black so you automatically default to siding with him? GZ's account matches the evidence in important ways:

-injuries
-eyewitness testimony
-it works logically

Can you explain to me a scenario that has Trayvon screaming for a full minute before GZ shoots him in cold blood, and still accounts for what JOhn saw and the injuries on GZ?

[clambake]

yep, had the gun pointed at him the entire time. its the only logical conclusion, since we know that george is a confirmed liar.

[Trill Clinton]

What day(s) have you and Trill been depo'd to appear as witnesses?

the same day as #teamzimmerman's supporters who believe the killers story enough to donate to his defense fund.

unfortunately I wasn't there that night with the young man had to fight for his life and got murdered. sad that everyone is taking GZ's side of the story while ignoring his history of violence. I wish I was so I could have taken that bullett since he wanted to take a person, a black person's life so bad. I'm a grown man, lil Trayvon had his whole life ahead of him.

People expect a 17 year old kid to act like an adult and make decisions that they would have made. Trayvon just wanted to go home but instead he was followed, threatened then shot to death. I pray my son doesn't have to go through anything like this.

I guess thats just the breaks when a black life is lost. noone cares.

Yes some people don't want to pick sides because they have convinced themselves Trayvon was a young thug asking for trouble and GZ was just a concerned citizen protecting his neighborhood, excuse me, his parents neighborhood.

Yes I believe GZ murdered him in cold blood.

Yes I believe Trayvon saw a gun and decided to fight for his life.

The GZ supporters can ignore his violent and racist past all they want to justify this killing, its cool.

[Geosurface]

yep, had the gun pointed at him the entire time. its the only logical conclusion, since we know that george is a confirmed liar.

Here's a good video which addresses your concerns about the paypal account:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGkyfX9Z4HM

[clambake]

Here's a good video which addresses your concerns about the paypal account:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGkyfX9Z4HM

where is the utoob of george pissing away 54K?

[Trill Clinton]

Please cite your source for GZ "flashing" his weapon at TM? Here I'll do you a favor and cite it for you: your imagination

You talk about GZ cornering him... but GZ was just waiting around for police up north of the path that lead to Brandy Green's, and there was physically no way to corner TM... the geography of the area doesn't really allow it. It makes a nice, emotional visual though I'll grant you that.

GZ claims TM approached him, which makes sense given that on the 911 call he was saying he did not know where TM was anymore, that he "ran" that he had gotten away.

But sure, you could doubt GZ's account... but, do you have any real good reason to doubt him? Other than that Trayvon is black so you automatically default to siding with him? GZ's account matches the evidence in important ways:

-injuries
-eyewitness testimony
-it works logically

Can you explain to me a scenario that has Trayvon screaming for a full minute before GZ shoots him in cold blood, and still accounts for what JOhn saw and the injuries on GZ?

Cite your source he was a drug dealer and I'll cite all my sources

There are different accounts of what happened from several eye witnesses

You go ahead and justify a career criminal killing an innocent child and I'll defend the child. k?

[clambake]

the hoa guy said george would be the captain of the community watch, so he's already pissed.

i bet he left that meeting thinking " i don't want to be a captain, i want to be a general! looks like i'm gonna have to earn my stars the hard way".