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You stay classy, San Antonio.
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Anyone have a link to that thread?
Fans of N.O. sports teams really shouldn't throw stones at any other teams regarding attendance. Well, OK, the AZ Cardinals are fair game.
A few things.
1. Even your fellow San Antonians admit that Spurs fans are lukewarm at times. It has come up time and time again. There is _no_ denying that.
2. The Spurs games are sellouts largely because of corporate support. That doesn't mean the seats are full. They clearly were not on Tuesday. I watched the entire game. I know.
3. San Antonio didn't sell out it's first football game ever. Period. You talk about the three weeks notice and whatnot, but how about all of the issues Baton Rouge faced? Those were 10x the "issues" that San Antonio faced. For a city bound and determined to get NFL football at any cost, that Bills game sure was a poor showing.
4. Don't use the Falcons game as "proof". For one, 1/4 of the Alamodome was going for the Birds. I was there. Benson gave away 8,000 tickets to that game at the end to guarantee a sellout. If he had done the same for Baton Rouge it would have been 70,000 tickets.
The bottom line is that you guys attack New Orleans fans constantly. The Spurs and Saints are both around #10 in their respective leagues historically. Compare the quality of the two products and the corporate support they do and don't get, and it's pretty obvious that you guys have no room to talk . You know what they say about glass houses and all.
Wrong. We don't attack fans. You guys at SR.com started hammering San Antonio as soon as the Saints came here. We were accused of being looters when in fact, all we did was sit here and watch the team arrive of their own accord. That's what started this . Saints fans getting bent because the team arrived here, looked at footage of home, realized the hopelessness of returning home anytime soon, and set up as best they could to finish the season. They are welcome to stay as long as they need to. They have a business to run. Many Gulf Coast fans have failed to understand the situation. They've become rabid over the issue. Not logical. 2 months later, here we are.
McKensie... most did not get upset until the mayor started getting his little hardon for the Saints and acted with a complete and total lack of class.
Before you say "he's just trying to run a city", look no further than Oklahoma City and the Hornets. Nobody that I know has any ill-will towards them even though they are in the exact same situation. , they've even put "Oklahoma City" on the jerseys. Are they secretly pulling for the Hornets to move to OKC? Probably. Are they openly rooting for it, trashing Louisiana's support of them, and being jackasses in general? No. That's why the perception of the two is completely different.
I actually supported San Antonio in the beginning. I even defended the city against several of the people who prematurely got on to S.A.'s case (the minority). But after watching the way the mayor, city leaders, and newspaper shamelessly went after the team, I changed my tune.
Remind me what NBA basketball Arena's attendance for 41 games has to do with 8 NFL Games here in San Antonio?1. Even your fellow San Antonians admit that Spurs fans are lukewarm at times. It has come up time and time again. There is _no_ denying that.
So if the game is a sell out, and Peter Holt couldn't make it to the game, he is not a true Spurs fan? Again, WTF does that have to do with a NFL games? And why does this continue to be a point regarding ticket sales for 8 games.2. The Spurs games are sellouts largely because of corporate support. That doesn't mean the seats are full. They clearly were not on Tuesday. I watched the entire game. I know.
Do you really want to get owned on this topic again?3. San Antonio didn't sell out it's first football game ever. Period. You talk about the three weeks notice and whatnot, but how about all of the issues Baton Rouge faced? Those were 10x the "issues" that San Antonio faced. For a city bound and determined to get NFL football at any cost, that Bills game sure was a poor showing
4. Don't use the Falcons game as "proof". For one, 1/4 of the Alamodome was going for the Birds. I was there. Benson gave away 8,000 tickets to that game at the end to guarantee a sellout. If he had done the same for Baton Rouge it would have been 70,000 tickets.
Ask yourself. Get your right hand off the mouse, your left hand off yourself, and ponder...DO I REALLY WANT TO GET OWNED ON THIS TOPIC AGAIN. The Choice is Yours.
Attacking and Replying are 2 different things.The bottom line is that you guys attack New Orleans fans constantly. The Spurs and Saints are both around #10 in their respective leagues historically. Compare the quality of the two products and the corporate support they do and don't get, and it's pretty obvious that you guys have no room to talk . You know what they say about glass houses and all.
And you got it wrong punk.
They line for you should be.....
You Shouldn't Throw Stone's If You Live In A Glass House.
But IF You Got A Glass Jaw, you should watch your mouth.......
You haven't owned . Just because you claim it doesn't make it true.
The Spurs are relevant because some of you continue to attack the New Orleans fan base, when yours could be called "average" at best.
I've given numbers. You've given huge fonts and smileys. Show me where I'm wrong on my attendance figures. Bonus points if you can do it logically without using the word "owned" or a big font.
Funny, I guess you don't like a taste of your own medicine....Just remember. A Spoonful of Sugar will help it go down.....You haven't owned . Just because you claim it doesn't make it true.
So I guess the Astro's should fold. Like with you, I SAW ON TV that some games had empty seats. Wow, I guess that Houston can't support a team either.The Spurs are relevant because some of you continue to attack the New Orleans fan base, when yours could be called "average" at best.
OKAY BIG BOY.I've given numbers. You've given huge fonts and smileys. Show me where I'm wrong on my attendance figures. Bonus points if you can do it logically without using the word "owned" or a big font.
YOU BELIEVE THAT THE TEAM SHOULD STAY IN BATON ROUGE/NEW ORLEANS.
LET'S MAKE A FRIENDLY WAGER.
I'LL TAKE TICKETS SOLD IN 3 WEEKS TO THE BILLS GAME AGAINST TICKETS SOLD TO THE BEARS GAME IN YOUR FAVORITE HOME OF THE SAINTS BATON ROUGE......I'LL SPOT YOU 5,000.
WHAT'S THE WAGER...........
I already said that I don't think the Bears game will sell well at all.
And I've already said that anything else Baton Rouge sells is lagniappe.
The team is not Baton Rouge's. The fact that they outsold both San Antonio games (note the world _sold_, does not count tickets given away) for even one game is amazing. There is no corporate support in Baton Rouge nor is Benson giving handouts like he did in San Antonio. The Bears game has little to no relevance in the grand scheme of things.
If you want to bet, let's make a relevant one.
I'll bet you anything you're willing to put up that San Antonio's three game attendance average does not beat New Orleans' all time attendance average.
You even have an advantage. This is San Antonio's "proving ground". New Orleans has had the team for 39 years and been through some marginal seasons, some ty seasons, and some even tier seasons.
Let's do it.
Watch the setup....
I'm not going to make a wager on that. If you gave me the entire slate of games, then we'd be on, but if only given 3 weeks for the 1st event, and having months go by until the next. It's not a relevant one.
We have been caught up in the going back and forth so much that I forget you stance on where the Saints should play next year Loose?
What's your take? The 2006 Season?
Wow. You trapped me. Har. You sir, are an intellectual mastermind.
I honestly don't care where they play the first four games. In October the Superdome should be ready to go. They can play the first 3-4 games in Timbuktu for all I care. As long as they go home in the end.
In all due honesty, using the Miami game as proof for BR attendence is weak. I mean the Falcons game sold out (including the giveaways, which had to be bought in the first place) mainly due to Michael Vick. And let's be honest folks, Nick Saben's return to Baton Rouge was the reason why the first Baton Rouge game sold so well (even though over 16,000 seats went unsold). So the arguement of BR "outselling" San Antonio for ONE game is pretty weak.
Also, you're arguement about corporate support being the main reason why the Spurs sell out seems incomplete. From what I've heard, the Spurs put MORE tickets available for the public than the average NBA team. And as for "lukewarm" support at the games, that wasn't the case during the playoffs. It's hard to get the same response from a crowd in the regular season than in the playoffs. Granted we may not be THE rowdiest fans in the NBA, but we do know how to have a good time.
But in all due honesty, this whole thrashing on San Antonio is REALLY getting old. If you want to diss us or criticize us, our mayor, or our city, do it on Saintsreport.com, not here. If Tom Benson wants to bail out of NOLA, that's his problem, and ultimatley it's hi descision. Maybe he is ripping the hearts out of New Orleanians on purpose, maybe he is making very tough busiess decision. It's not gonna make thing better by ing about it all the time. The last thing this board needs is a San Antonio/Baton Rouge flame war. Personally, I would be thrilled to see an NFL team here, but it's not gonna break my heart if the Saints don't come here after all.
I think the comparison of San Antonio and Oklahoma City is ridiculous. Yes, each has received a displaced team. The comparison ends there.
San Antonio's open flirtation with the Saints began only after Commissioner Tagliabue said directly that the NFL has no intention of having a team in San Antonio. And then, the wooing was sparked not by the city leaders in San Antonio deciding to approach Benson, but by Benson having already approached city leaders.
Let's see: a guy who owns an NFL franchise has suggested that he would like to move his team (a luctrative economic en y) into your community. You have desired an NFL team. The commissioner of the NFL has said that you're not going to get a team on his watch. I guess San Antonio was supposed to just roll over at that point and say, "oh well, at least we've been teased with football." Give me a break.
When Tagliabue called SA a small market, the city leaders were rightfully indignant (even if wrong) and, I think, validly sought to prove him wrong. When ticket sales for games in San Antonio (which, again, had no prior relationship with the Saints and very, very few Saints fans) were better than expected (even if not a sellout) and eventually topped the percentage sales in Baton Rouge, I think the city leaders had the right to send a message that Tagliabue was simply wrong in his characterizations of the City -- that this City can and will support an NFL team. Again, why is that contemptable?
And given that course of events, coupled with New Orleans attempts to lure the Spurs from this City, why on Earth is it wrong for us to protect our own interests in the same way that other cities have? The contempt for the entire city of San Antonio is absurd.
Here's another reason why SA is so despised.
Everyone knows L.A. is a much bigger threat than San Antonio at this point.
Yet:
Compare this to Hardberger and San Antonio's stance. Night and day. Class/classless.And finally, Los Angeles officials don't want to be seen as the vultures who swooped in on a bad situation and stole away the carcass of a franchise in distress.
"It clearly would be bad form ... to reach out to New Orleans or to anyone who is in distress," said Bill Chadwick, the president of the Los Angeles Coliseum Commission.
PS. Again, the reason I brought up Spurs attendance was because of the trashing of Louisiana's support of the Saints on this board. See the "fan support in BR" thread. I didn't come here and just start digging on Spurs fans. I am one. But it's tough for me to sit here and watch fans who put up 10th in the league historically for one of the best teams of the past decade trash fans who have put up 10th historically for the second worst team in NFL history. Just not right.
I've not seen the numbers you're referring to, but I'm curious about what they represent. Do your numbers reflect total attendance as a gross number averaged over a number of home appearances? or do they reflect attendance as a percentage of seats available at the venue? I would think those numbers would be very different for both the Spurs and the Saints and that gross numbers would be a rather imprecise means for measuring support.
Everyone knows L.A. is a much bigger threat than San Antonio at this point.
EXACTLY, Loose.
That's the point from day one with me.
I would like the team in San Antonio for the 2006 Season. Again, after that, it depends on if New Orleans is back to a position where it can support it.
If the city can support it for the 2007 season. Fine, the PR is better, the city gets it's team back, and hopefully the NFL helps with building a new stadium, or helping the state put a team there.
But, where you and I have differed has been where they should play in 2006.
I say San Antonio, and yet, you and others have claimed Baton Rouge and New Orleans.
You yourself, state that Baton Rouge ticket sales will dwindle and that New Orleans can't support it because of the dire cir stances. Is that going to change enough in 6 months. No, 2 Years perhaps, but not 6 months.
If a Saints fan really thought about it, he should probably pull for San Antonio for 2006. Because if something happens, and Saints fans/etc lobby against San Antonio and New Orleans/Baton Rouge is not an option. Guess where the team goes.....LA.
And if it goes to LA, Game Set Match.
So, how about the compromise.
We get the Saints for 2006, while New Orleans rebuilds. If it can handle the team with the help of the NFL for 2007, then it should move back. If not, then let Benson take it where he wants.
So we're supposed to feel bad about all the people who lost everything in New Orleans and worry about their well-being while a couple of jackasses worry about losing a damn football team? Get your priorities straight and stop your ing whining. Your town is gone. People have died. Your neighbors have lost everything. If pro sports means that much to you you are one sad mother er.
Of course, there's no problem for those people openly lusting over the prospect of a football team moving to San Antonio, led by their duly elected leader, even at the expense of a devastated region that has shown that they still want the team.
Absolutely.
Couldn't almost the same thing be said about S.A.?
Our town is gone, people have died, some people lost everything and our pro sports team means so much to S.A. that they have to openly pursue said team. If a pro sports team means that much to you then you are a sad mother er.
I will post the link to the study again about how important the Saints are to the N.O. area. I don't see how people criticize N.O. for wanting to keep their team regardless of what has happened. Read the study and understand.
This is why most people in NO are concerned about the Saints
Oh and don't forget that we are trying to re-build which in essence means put things back how they were. This would include the N.O. Saints being a part of the city.
Personally, again, as much as I would like to see an NFL team, I believe that if possible the team should relocate to NO by 2007 or 2008.
We shouldn't criticize anybody, especially those in the region. The one's I have a problem with are those that claim that San Antonio is trying to steal the team over the graves of the dead. Those are the people that are misguided.
How so? The mayor of SA made public comments regarding permanent relocation of the team to SA before all of the dead were even recovered. Shoot over 100 have not even been identified yet. I don't see how this perception is misguided.
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