How 'bout this not being about "feelings" and about the rights of a human being?
I accept that death is an unfortunate result of war -- both legitimate and illegitimate campaigns. But, death shouldn't be the litmus over which wars are engaged.
In the case of abortion -- Death is the object of the discussion. The object of the practice. It's the direct result and aim of receiving an abortion.
I see a difference.
Crap, if someone took away your life sustaining necessities you'd die too so if that's all you've got you have failed to make a point.
The baby's heart starts beating between 18 and 25 days that means there's life, any aborting after that heart starts beating qualifies as taking a life.
Blowing it off as a glob doesn't change that fact, it only helps to soothe the conscience (I wonder how many have one) of the person playing God with the baby's life.
Just a quick comment on a headline on the news: Accident kills woman and "unborn" child. Is the media changing their stance?
She may have been in an advanced state ... didn't it kill a 2 year old, too?
She may have been in an advanced state ... didn't it kill a 2 year old, too?
Yes, believe it did. I was just taken aback by the "unborn child" part.
No, it was just a statement of fact. Since your apparent view of women is that basically they should have no rights at all regarding their own bodies, any argument that I might make that would include something like, "who are you to tell her she has to be the support system ... especially if she's having trouble with supporting her OWN life" would fall on deaf ears...or no ears whatsoever, which would seem to be the case.
I'm also a believer in DNR's, war, and the dealth penalty, too. But at least, unlike some of you, I'm consistent.
Jimmy Carter weighs in on the abortion issue and he's made as !
Carter condemns abortion culture
By Ralph Z. Hallow
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
November 4, 2005
Former President Jimmy Carter yesterday condemned all abortions and chastised his party for its intolerance of candidates and nominees who oppose abortion.
"I never have felt that any abortion should be committed -- I think each abortion is the result of a series of errors," he told reporters over breakfast at the Ritz-CarltonHotel, while across town Senate Democrats deliberated whether to filibuster the nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. because he may share President Bush and Mr. Carter's abhorrence of abortion.
"These things impact other issues on which [Mr. Bush] and I basically agree," the Georgia Democrat said. "I've never been convinced, if you let me inject my Christianity into it, that Jesus Christ would approve abortion."
Mr. Carter said his party's congressional leadership only hurts Democrats by making a rigid pro-abortion rights stand the criterion for assessing judicial nominees.
"I have always thought it was not in the mainstream of the American public to be extremely liberal on many issues," Mr. Carter said. "I think our party's leaders -- some of them -- are overemphasizing the abortion issue."
While Mr. Carter has previously expressed ambivalence about abortion, his statements yesterday were "astonishing," said Robert Knight, director of the Culture and Family Ins ute at Concerned Women for America.
"He has long professed to be an evangelical Christian and yet he had embraced virtually all the liberal political agenda," said Mr. Knight. "Maybe with Jimmy Carter saying things he never uttered before, more liberals will rethink their worship of abortion as the high holy sacrament of liberalism."
Running for president in 1976 -- just three years after the Supreme Court's landmark Roe v. Wade decision -- Mr. Carter took a moderate stance.
"I think abortion is wrong and that the government ought never do anything to encourage abortion," he said during that campaign. "But I do not favor a cons utional amendment which would prohibit all abortions, nor one that would give states [a] local option to ban abortions."
In Washington to promote his latest book, "Our Enduring Values," Mr. Carter acknowledged he made mistakes in office.
"I can't deny I'm a better ex-president than I was a president," said Mr. Carter, who in recent years has traveled the globe with his wife Rosalyn, "trying to help hold 61 elections" in developing countries.
He has been outspoken in condemning Mr. Bush's policy toward Iraq. "I think all Christians -- and certainly all Baptists -- are different," Mr. Carter said yesterday. "I have a commitment to worship the Prince of Peace, not the Prince of Preemptive War."
But he praised Mr. Bush's policy toward war-torn Sudan, and declared that the best treatment he has received since leaving the Oval Office was from the first President Bush, and the second-best treatment he got was during the Reagan administration, especially from Secretary of State George P. Shultz. The worst treatment he's received, the former president said, was from President Clinton.
Mr. Carter said his party lost the 2004 presidential elections and lost House and Senate seats because Democratic leaders failed "to demonstrate a compatibility with the deeply religious people in this country. I think that absence hurt a lot."
Democrats must "let the deeply religious people and the moderates on social issues like abortion feel that the Democratic party cares about them and understands them," he said, adding that many Democrats, like him, "have some concern about, say, late-term abortions, where you kill a baby as it's emerging from its mother's womb."
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1740-7148r.htm
Do whatever the heck you want with "your" body, just quit destroying the baby's body that God has entrusted you with!
You can ehnance it,
you can pierce it,
you can reduce it,
you can tan it,
you can de-wrinkle it,
you can tatoo it,
you can botox it,
you can de-hair it,
you can nip and tuck it but
quit destroying the baby's body that God has entrusted you with!
He created it, his/her heart starts beating within 18 days and people decide they have the right to stop that heart from beating...who's God here?
I'm not particularly religious...who is this God you're speaking of and why should I GAF what he thinks? Do you think this God person can babysit for me tonight? I have a mandatory work fuction tonight and am having a hard time finding someone to help out.
There is *you*, trying to live *my* life by what *you* believe again.
Last edited by SpursWoman; 11-05-2005 at 08:55 AM.
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Jimmy Carter weighs in on the abortion issue and he's made as !
WGAF what Jimmy Carter says besides his wife? Seriously?
I agree...WGAF what Bush says beside his wife? Seriously?
Well, Carter's been out of office for quite some time now ... but I'd answer: those that hang on every word, and those that can't wait to hear what comes next so they can about it?
Yeah..like all the so called "political experts" who sit around a table and talk smack on the news channels.
[QUOTE=SpursWoman]I believe you stated that you're 32 years old (you look much younger from the sideI'm not particularly religious...who is this God you're speaking of and why should I GAF what he thinks?
I think the Percentage of people who give their life to Christ (find out who "this God" is) after the age of 18 is around 5%.
And this is youThere is *you*, trying to live *my* life by what *you* believe again.
Well since he's speaking about the damning effects and aspects of abortion and the sanc y of human life I knew it wouldn't be you.
WGAF what Jimmy Carter says besides his wife? Seriously?
And this is you
You with your firm, unwaivering belief that everyone believes in God to the extent you do is the only thing absurd about this argument.
Well that and the fact that there are too many clinical variables involved in pregnancies that make it impossible to make finite legislation.
Do you know when or how to pin-point the precise moment of conception?
When god says so...
A girl's gotta be able to define when her liabilty begins.
Where did that come from? I'm quite certain that you can't back up that charge with anything resembling fact. Show me the money (facts)!
I can only surmise that you feel that way because of the strength of the arguements by those that are against abortion.
No ... I actually don't like abortion, it makes me very sad and disheartend. But I've been a single mom for a very long time under the worst cir stances and I know it's not all peaches and cream and takes a very strong cons ution and a good support system to be able to handle it. Not everyone has that. And it's not like getting stuck with a bad haircut or color that will grow out eventually, it's yours until the day you die. And I don't mean using it as a form of birth control to a certain extent ... ask any woman who has been in that situation and I guarantee you rarely you will find one that took her situation that lightly. I just feel very strongly that the decision should be between the affected person/people in their unique situation. They are the only ones that have to live with what the consequences of their choice may be. And I don't know anyone having had one who has "forgotten all about it."
Having had 2 (live, healthy children) of my own, and known several very loving people who were not able to have kids of their own, I hold young woman who are able to give their children up for adoption right up there with people who work in ICU's ... which is somewhere near Saint territory.
I'm actually with Spurminator for the most part on this one ... prevention is worth a ton of cure. Education is everything. If unwanted pregnancies were prevented in the first place...this wouldn't be as huge an issue and everyone could just mind their own business and live their own lives.
For example, I wonder how many women (and men) know that a woman can get pregnant from having intercourse during her period? That that is by no means a "safe" time? Or the innumerable amount of pregnancies that spontaneously abort during the first 4 weeks that a woman didn't even know about...that mistook a miscarriage for a normal cycle? The "did you knows?" are limit-less.
Last edited by SpursWoman; 11-05-2005 at 10:07 AM.
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I do too.
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