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  1. #26
    I disagree with the blast against McNabb as the reason that the Eagles are 4-4. If that team could run the ball at all, McNabb would be brilliant as he's always been -- if teams had to respect the run and play the Eagles' offense straight up (like they've had to in years past, whether the Eagles had TO or not) I don't think they'd be having struggles anything like those they're experiencing right now.

    I said in a different thread this summer that I thought TO might be the most overrated player in football. I stand by that. If he made the Eagles better last year, it was only marginally so. Without him on the field (and in precisely the same position they had been in without TO in years before) they got to the Super Bowl.

    McNabb, on the other hand, might be the most underrated player in the game. He's so good that he's taken for granted, but that team lives and dies on what Donovan does and that's been true for years. It wouldn't surprise me, with a week of prep time to just relax and not deal with the distractions, if the Eagles started on a pretty good roll that finds them in the playoffs with a pretty good seed and another good chance to play in the NFC Championship game, at least.

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    Your wrong buddy! :

    1. He is a multi-millionare !!!
    2. He has never ever done anything wrong, or against the law, when he is off the field. According to many players and media, he is a great guy when you talk to him in person and away from the field.
    3. Maybe when he is retired, he will be on ESPN. Cause God knows that if CRACKHEAD Irvin can do it, Owens can.

    Owens will be playing for an NFL team for years to come. He is a beast on the field and I guarantee you that he will be picked up in a heartbeat!
    I know he hasn't gotten in trouble with the law... yet. He has a self-destructive personality. He won't have a cent left to his name by the time he's 50, if he makes it that far (a lot of NFL'ers don't).

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    For all of T.O.'s antics, he is NOT the reason the Eagles are 4-4. Donovan should be suspended for play detrimental to his team.
    I subscribe to the Madden philosophy, you have to run the football and stop the run to win in the NFL. The Eagles are passing way too much. But Westbrook isn't really a downhill type back. A guy like Correll Buckhalter would have helped but he seems to get hurt every year.

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    More Power to Me Despot's Avatar
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    Are you an Eagles fan? Why do you hate him?

    He WILL get another chance because he is a great player.
    I agree, He is the best receiver in the NFL, then you have Steve Smith (who may actually be the best), and Randy Moss, and they are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. There is no way another team does not pick him up. For better or worse, the Eagles took him knowing the baggage that he brought, and other teams will take that risk too.
    TO may be selfish after the game, but during it, he lays it ALL on the line, he does things other receivers can't, and won't do. As an example, Randy Moss is a one trick horse, Specialty is deep plays, he won't take the hit over the middle. If he became a possesion receiver he would be devastating.

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    RIP whottt. slayermin's Avatar
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    I said in a different thread this summer that I thought TO might be the most overrated player in football. I stand by that. If he made the Eagles better last year, it was only marginally so. Without him on the field (and in precisely the same position they had been in without TO in years before) they got to the Super Bowl.
    T.O. allowed Philly to blowout teams that they would not have normally blown out during the regular season. That is invaluable because that keeps your team injury free and rested.

    They did make it to the Super Bowl. But Minnesota and Atlanta did not have defenses like teams that smashed them in the mouth like Carolina or Tampa Bay. And T.O. did one of the most amazing things I have ever seen by playing brilliantly in the Super Bowl after breaking his ankle two months before.

    Oh and by the way, McNabb's QB rating was under 80 in 2003 and over 100 in 2004. Coincidence? I don't think so.

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    Are you an Eagles fan? Why do you hate him?

    He WILL get another chance because he is a great player.
    Umm yeah I am, and he's an asshole. I know he's the league's best WR but he will not play another game for the Eagles.

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    Umm yeah I am, and he's an asshole. I know he's the league's best WR but he will not play another game for the Eagles.
    Well I know Dan Snyder has plenty of jack. I bet he would be willing to give T.O. a nice contract and a chance at Philly two times next year. Joe Gibbs commands much more respect than Reid or Mariucci. Maybe Gibbs gives Snyder the ok to go after him. Should be interesting.

    I know if the Redskins are interested, the Pokes would be interested. But I don't think Stalag Coughlin would be able to deal with T.O. so the Giants are probably out of the question.

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    More Power to Me Despot's Avatar
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    My shot at Donovan was mostly just in passing, don't really dislike him, just seems to me like ever since Limbaugh made those comments about him, everyone seems to make excuses for him and gives him a free pass. On the other hand, if TO farts doing situps, the media assumes it must be a statement against the team.
    I'm sure that is just my interpretation, and not how many other people see it.
    At this point in my life I can really care less what athletes say, what they smoke, or who they murder or rape in their personal time (as long as it doesn't involve my family). I just want them to produce on the field of play.

    P.S.
    The truth.....I think most Receivers would love to have Favre as their QB, Who's with me??? He's simply the best.
    C'mon informal poll everyone indicate who they would rather have
    Favre > Mcnabb

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    TO is an attention junky... little spoiled sport...

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    More Power to Me Despot's Avatar
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    TO is an attention junky... little spoiled sport...
    So was Michael Jordan

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    Not to the "me first" degree TO is. Besides, Jordan won championships.

  12. #37
    Maybe now TO will pursue his basketball career he wanted to do last year but the Eagles wouldn't let him out of their contract. LOL...Boy the Kings were going to even start him in summer camp they wanted him soo bad.

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    Not to the "me first" degree TO is. Besides, Jordan won championships.
    Don't get me wrong, Jordan was, is, and will always be the man, Unless Mr. Duncan leads the Spurs to the next 6 championships. But Jordan was alot more selfish than alot of people realize, but to play at that level, I think you have to be, and I'm not saying it is a bad thing. Ahhhh, I should have just used Kobe's name, noone would deny his selfishness.

    TO did his part in the Superbowl last year, I don't think anyone can fault him for that loss, heck his teamates were the ones disrespecting him last year, saying they didn't need him and such.

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    Well I know Dan Snyder has plenty of jack. I bet he would be willing to give T.O. a nice contract and a chance at Philly two times next year.
    Aw, , no!

    I might sell my season tics if Snyder did that.

    And if Joe Gibbs had trouble with LaVar, no way he puts up with T.O.

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    Aw, , no!

    I might sell my season tics if Snyder did that.

    And if Joe Gibbs had trouble with LaVar, no way he puts up with T.O.
    Are you sure Gibbs had the problem with Lavar or was it Gregg Williams? LaVar is a bit of a loose canon but he is a playmaker like he showed last night. Gregg Williams is a good defensive coordinator and Gibbs has his back. Williams wanted to show Arrington who was boss and the message has been received, I hope. Also Arrington has a pretty large contract. The Redskins management might be posturing themselves to make Lavar take a pay cut.

    It's all about the money with T.O. The riff between him and McNabb is because McNabb wouldn't back him like he did Westbrook. All this media scrutiny because he agreed with Michael Irvin? Big deal. He might be right.

    And so what he fought Hugh Douglas. Douglas should have kept his mouth shut.

    I would rather T.O. was a Redskin than a Cowboy.

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