Perfect Scripture For The Spurs

[Capt Bringdown]

Jesus died on the cross so that the Spurs could be successful. His dying words were a curse against the Spurs opponents.
It's in the bible, people!

[ATX Spur]

Cmon lets have some respect. You guys that dont believe should still be respectful. Absolutely nothing false about the Bible but hey, none of us can force it down your throat. And for those who do believe, im with you but dont antagonize. Be a light but reply in a respectful manner, lets not get chippy. These responses are getting crazy

I have alot of respect in my heart, but I have to be incredulous toward anyone who says with a straight face that there's "absolutely nothing false about the Bible."

Jonah lived in a whale? Abraham was really instructed to murder his own son? The universe is really 6000 years old according to biblical genealogy? No mention of the dinosaurs we now know existed before man? God really expected the Jews to have slaves, effectively getting wrong the key moral question of the history of the United States? I mean, where do you want me to stop?

And then, the only response from the bible apologists is, "I won't tell you why those things aren't silly, but you can do research"?

Hard to have respect for that, tbh.

[underdawg]

Jesus died on the cross so that the Spurs could be successful. His dying words were a curse against the Spurs opponents.
It's in the bible, people!

Or just be happy that David Robinson has done as much for the San Antonio community as he has because of his desire to honor the God he believes in - just a thought.

[ATX Spur]

there's nothing like the Bible in that no other religion makes the statements that Jesus makes.. By you saying that you've done the research tells me that you haven't.

The works and life of Jesus appear in the Quran as well, tbh. Have you ever read the Quran? And on what basis does one believe the veracity of one holy book over another?

[ATX Spur]

Or just be happy that David Robinson has done as much for the San Antonio community as he has because of his desire to honor the God he believes in - just a thought.

David is a phenomenal human being who has done amazing things for our community with children and education. He just had a weird reason for doing them when good reasons exist already.

[ATX Spur]

And with responses like this, it's easy to see why Duncan228 stopped posting.

Doesn't 1 John 4:1 say to "test the spirits"? Why would people who disagree with you deter you from your message? You don't know anything you can't defend.

[sananspursfan21]

I have alot of respect in my heart, but I have to be incredulous toward anyone who says with a straight face that there's "absolutely nothing false about the Bible."

Jonah lived in a whale? Abraham was really instructed to murder his own son? The universe is really 6000 years old according to biblical genealogy? No mention of the dinosaurs we now know existed before man? God really expected the Jews to have slaves, effectively getting wrong the key moral question of the history of the United States? I mean, where do you want me to stop?

And then, the only response from the bible apologists is, "I won't tell you why those things aren't silly, but you can do research"?

Hard to have respect for that, tbh.

Well yes some wild stuff happened in the Bible days, and much of it is difficult to believe in reference to Jonah and the whale but the old testament saw some crazy days for sure. I do have answers for you of you would like to personal message me since this is a spurs forum and deep biblical discussions should be held elsewhere. I wont give you the same old "research it yourself" when i have answers for you but im also not going to force you to hear/read it so if you would like, we'll talk, if not: peace brutha man

[underdawg]

I have alot of respect in my heart, but I have to be incredulous toward anyone who says with a straight face that there's "absolutely nothing false about the Bible."

Jonah lived in a whale? Abraham was really instructed to murder his own son? The universe is really 6000 years old according to biblical genealogy? No mention of the dinosaurs we now know existed before man? God really expected the Jews to have slaves, effectively getting wrong the key moral question of the history of the United States? I mean, where do you want me to stop?

And then, the only response from the bible apologists is, "I won't tell you why those things aren't silly, but you can do research"?

Hard to have respect for that, tbh.

let's cover a few of those real quick:
-Jonah living in a whale (or fish) is unbelievable but you're ok with Jesus Christ rising from the dead or even more, God creating the universe?
-Abraham's instruction for sacrificing his son was a demonstration of faith, but mostly to demonstrate how God would sacrifice his only begotten son in Jesus Christ for all of humanity.
-As far as slaves, people are going to have their own opinions but many theologians do not compare Jewish slaves to the slaves that were in America. They were more of servants than slaves, but I can't tell you that I have a great answer either. I do know that Christians led the abolitionist movement in America to free slaves though and this trumped so called Christians that had slaves.
-Dinosaurs are not mentioned in the Bible - are there any other animals not mentioned in the Bible? 6,000 years or 4.3 billion years - you're still left with the same question as to how we got here. You're still left with the basic question of how physical matter came into extistence - in my opinion, science nor logic comes into conflict with the Bible and the Christ that I believe in. Evolution is a theory that has yet to be proven in a macro-evolution basis in a lab - tell me I'm wrong if I am.

[Trainwreck2100]

austin's best mic work

[Capt Bringdown]

The LORD loves the Spurs more than the other guys. It says so in the bible.

[ElNono]

where's the David Robinson bible chasing troll when you need him?

[sananspursfan21]

The LORD loves the Spurs more than the other guys. It says so in the bible.

Well, i wouldnt say thaaaaaat. The Lord loves everyone....even David Stern

[underdawg]

The works and life of Jesus appear in the Quran as well, tbh. Have you ever read the Quran? And on what basis does one believe the veracity of one holy book over another?

I'm not even saying that one has a validity over another. Let's look at what the other religions say (copying this from an article written by Dr. Ankerberg):

examine the specific claims of such individuals,
we find none of them claims what Jesus does. In
The Qur’an the Muslim prophet Muhammad states,
“Surely I am no more than a human apostle.”28 In fact,
Muhammad is acknowledged as sinful and asks
forgiveness from God—is even rebuked by God—
several times.29
If Muhammad confessed he was sinful, Jesus
claimed He was sinless. If Muhammad only claimed
to be a prophet of God, Jesus claimed to be God. If
Muhammad was rebuked by God, Jesus was never
rebuked by God; in fact, He said, “I always do what
pleases Him” (John 8:29).
The Buddha simply claimed to be an enlightened
man, one who could show others how to escape the
duality of this world and find eternal release from
suffering in a state of individual nonexistence called
“nirvana.” After his alleged enlightenment, the Buddha
said he realized the importance of maintaining an
at ude of equanimity towards all things because this
at ude helps one to end the cycle of rebirth, attain
permanent release from the human condition and
“enter” nirvana:
Monks, I’m a Brahmana [enlightened being],
one to ask a favor of, ever clean-handed, wearing
my last body…. I am inexorable, bear no love nor
hatred toward anyone…. I have the same feelings
for respectable people as for the low; or moral
persons as for the immoral; for the depraved as for
those who observe the rules of good conduct….
You disciples, do not affirm that the Lord Buddha
reflects thus within himself, “I bring salvation to
every living being.” Subhuti entertain no such
delusive thought! Because in reality there are no
living beings to whom the Lord Buddha can bring
salvation.30
Houston Smith in The Religions of Man comments
about the Buddha,
Notwithstanding his own objectivity toward
himself, there was constant pressure during his
lifetime to turn him into a god. He rebuffed all
these categorically, insisting that he was human
in every respect. He made no attempt to conceal
his temptations and weaknesses, how difficult it
had been to attain enlightenment, how narrow the
margin by which he had won through, how fallible
he still remained.31
If Buddha claimed merely a personal enlightenment
designed to escape human nature, Jesus claimed (in
His own nature) to be the Light of the world. If Buddha
claimed it was wrong to consider him one who brings
salvation to men because men, having no permanent
reality, do not finally exist, Jesus taught that He came
to bring salvation to all men and to dignify their
existence eternally. If the Buddha promised to give
others enlightenment so that they might find nirvana, a
state of personal dissolution in the afterlife, Jesus
promised to give men abundant life and eternal
immortality in heaven. If Buddha had the same
feelings for good and evil, Jesus exalted righteousness
and hated evil.
Confucius said, “As to being a Divine Sage or even
a Good Man, far be it for me to make any such
claim.”32 If Confucius denied that he was divine or even
a good man, Jesus claimed He was divine and morally
perfect.
We can proceed to examine all the world’s major
religions in detail and never find anyone like Jesus.
Not in Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, Confucianism,
Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, Judaism, Zoroasterism,
Islam, or any other religion. Zoroaster only claimed to
be a prophet, “I was ordained by Thee at the first. All
others I look upon with hatred of spirit.”33 Lao-tze and
Guru Nanak sum up the at ude, at one time or
another, of all the great religious founders when they
confessed their humanity and even their ignorance.
For example, Lao-tze the founder of Taoism said, “I
alone appear empty. Ignorant am I, O so ignorant! I
am dull!… I alone am confused, so confused!”34 Even
in the latter part of his life, Guru Nanak, the founder of
Sikhism still struggled to achieve enlightenment and
lamented over his own spiritual darkness, “I have
become perplexed in my search. In the darkness I find
no way. Devoted to pride, I weep in sorrow…. How
shall deliverance be obtained?”35
In The World’s Living Religions, Professor of the
History of Religions, Robert Hume comments that
there are three features of Christian faith that “cannot
be paralleled anywhere among the religions of the
world.”36 These include the character of God as a
loving heavenly Father, the character of the founder of
Christianity as the Son of God, and the work of the
Holy Spirit. Further,
All of the nine founders of religion, with the
exception of Jesus Christ, are reported in their
respective sacred scriptures as having passed
through a preliminary period of uncertainty, or of
searching for religious light…. All the founders of
the non-Christian religions evinced inconsistencies
in their personal character; some of them
altered their practical policies under change of
cir stances. Jesus Christ alone is reported as
having had a consistent God-consciousness, a
consistent character himself, and a consistent
program for his religion.37
If the claims of men mean anything, or have any
implications, and, certainly they must, whether true or
false, then no one else in history ever claimed and did
what Jesus did.
Again, Jesus is absolutely unique in the claims He
makes for Himself. He says, “I am the light of the
world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,
but will have the light of life” (John 8:12). How
many other men have ever said that? Jesus said, “I
am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through me” (John 14:6). How many
other men have ever said that? As we saw, Jesus even
claimed that 1500 years before His birth, Moses wrote
about Him and further, that the entire Old Testament
bore witness to Him (John 6:46-47; Luke 24:27, 44).

[underdawg]

where's the David Robinson bible chasing troll when you need him?

yep, cause donating millions of your money to help kids is boring

[ATX Spur]

let's cover a few of those real quick:
-Jonah living in a whale (or fish) is unbelievable but you're ok with Jesus Christ rising from the dead or even more, God creating the universe?
-Abraham's instruction for sacrificing his son was a demonstration of faith, but mostly to demonstrate how God would sacrifice his only begotten son in Jesus Christ for all of humanity.
-As far as slaves, people are going to have their own opinions but many theologians do not compare Jewish slaves to the slaves that were in America. They were more of servants than slaves, but I can't tell you that I have a great answer either. I do know that Christians led the abolitionist movement in America to free slaves though and this trumped so called Christians that had slaves.
-Dinosaurs are not mentioned in the Bible - are there any other animals not mentioned in the Bible? 6,000 years or 4.3 billion years - you're still left with the same question as to how we got here. You're still left with the basic question of how physical matter came into extistence - in my opinion, science nor logic comes into conflict with the Bible and the Christ that I believe in. Evolution is a theory that has yet to be proven in a macro-evolution basis in a lab - tell me I'm wrong if I am.

1) Jonah in the whale defies believability, but so does Christ rising from the dead. I don't believe things that are supposed to have happened 60 generations before I was born and defy biological sense just because I read it in a book.

2) So I can kill my son (or try to) if I can get elders to one day put the story in a book about my faith and it won't be considered attempted murder? Doesn't sound like a morality I'd like to prescribe to.

3) Anyone who thinks slavery is bad would expect the Bible as the key moral do ent of how to live our lives to condemn owning a person and using them as a servant or construction implement. Too morally bankrupt for my taste.

4) Dinosaurs aren't mentioned, but they're not just a species of animal the Bible forgets to enumerate. They were millions of species that dominated the planet for millions of years. Isn't it easier to think that the Bible was simply just written by men who had no knowledge that dinosaurs existed before their time?

5) So in response to the question of how did matter originate and why are we here, why would one choose a set of unbelievable stories he or she couldn't possibly know to be true? But rather think that every civilization has created god or gods to explain their origins, build moral codes, oppress others by claiming an inside track to religious truth, etc, so that we won't feel so alone or to believe that some god will save us from wrongdoing?

[ElNono]

yep, cause donating millions of your money to help kids is boring

that's not exclusive to religious people... nice strawman though...

[Malice]

oh for sake. Here we go...

[ATX Spur]

Again, Jesus is absolutely unique in the claims He
makes for Himself. He says, “I am the light of the
world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,
but will have the light of life” (John 8:12). How
many other men have ever said that? Jesus said, “I
am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through me” (John 14:6). How many
other men have ever said that? As we saw, Jesus even
claimed that 1500 years before His birth, Moses wrote
about Him and further, that the entire Old Testament
bore witness to Him (John 6:46-47; Luke 24:27, 44).

Wait, wait. Jesus is God because he made unique claims? WHAT?

[ATX Spur]

Anyways. If Kori or timvp want to move this as it's now way off topic, that's cool. I just came to celebrate the Spurs big win and got derailed by a weird Scripture passage, wondering why it made someone think of the Spurs tonight?

Apologies.

Still excited about the win!

[underdawg]

that's not exclusive to religious people... nice strawman though...

had nothing to do with a logical argument - just a fact that David's donated a lot of money to help kids in san antonio

[underdawg]

Wait, wait. Jesus is God because he made unique claims? WHAT?

pretty much - you asked to comare Jesus to other religions and that's a major distinction; if the other religious icons were claiming to be God, wouldn't they have said so?

[sananspursfan21]

Am i going to have to separate you two?

[Capt Bringdown]

Perfect Satanic Verse that SCREAMS the Spurs (from the book of Satan 1:1-4)

In this arid wilderness of steel and stone I raise up my
voice that you may hear. To the East and to the West
I beckon. To the North and to the South I show a sign
proclaiming: Death to the weakling, wealth to the strong!

arid wilderness of steel and stone - aka OKC
To the East and to the West I beckon - 19 game winning streak, es. You wanna piece?
Death to the weakling, wealth to the strong - Riverwalk parades and playoff shares, in yo face

HAIL SATAN

[ATX Spur]

pretty much - you asked to comare Jesus to other religions and that's a major distinction; if the other religious icons were claiming to be God, wouldn't they have said so?

What does it matter who claims to be God? My former neighbor was a hippie who frequently stated she wasn't a christian because she thought she WAS God. Did she just earn equal footing with Jesus?

[ATX Spur]

Am i going to have to separate you two?

I don't think so. I think we're having a pretty civil conversation.