Are you guys seriously blaming Bonner for all the FT missed by Splitter? Un- ing-believable
Bonner entered with 4:19 and the game 80-62
Immediately there is a Duncan TO where Bonner has nothing to be blamed for which ends in a layup by Harden, its in the highlights so you can watch it. This is followed by yet another Duncan's TO, steal by Perkings that ends with a Durant finger roll, score 80-66 and I do not see how Bonner is responsible for any of that.
After three FT for Manu, the HAS starts, and I am pretty sure Bonner was not missing those FT!
Duncan came back for Splitter with the game 74-88 and the whole team out of rhythm following the HAS, yet, somehow, is Bonner's fault
Not a Bonner hater but today he really sucked I mean no rebounding, no offense, he looks lost on defense and offense he is scarred to take the shot.
Bottom line keep Diaw or Tiago in the game not Bonner........If he ain't hot after ten minutes they yank his ass.
So what Pop did tonight then...
Unfortunately, if Splitter doesn't improve his free throws by game 3, we'll be seeing much more Bonner.
Not necessarily. Brooks will use hack-a-splitter only if they're already in the penalty. It might mean Tiago not closing the first 3 quarters, but the Spurs can simply close with Diaw instead.
When the Thunder deployed their hack a Splitter strategy, the Spurs had a 16 point lead. Down from 22 after Bonner came into the game for Diaw.
Not saying that Bonner is specifically responsible for losing the lead but that's what happened.
I guess we weren't watching the same game. Bonner was down in the paint helping with defense while Collison stood out near the three point line. The Thunder got a lot of rebounds, but they were fifty fifty balls off jumpshots. They weren't even trying to score inside. Collison got one offensive rebound, and he stole it from Danny Green.
Don't know what you mean by slow on closeouts, I assume you mean his shooting motion is slow, which it is, but the jump shooters were wide open tonight. He was open enough to shoot three times, and he passed up one of them for an assist to Manu and hit one of his two shots. He also drew a couple of fouls off guards. I could really care less about his shooting at this point; as long as he's not getting abused in the post, missing rotations or weakly fouling in the paint I'm fine with what he brings.
Against probably any other team I'd be on board with this idea, but you can't put Blair in that spot because he's not really any better of a defensive rebounder, he's more prone to mistakes on defense, and he's got no range on the other end. You can't put one of the smaller guys in there due to the size of the guy he'd be guarding. Bonner's perfect against front lines full of guys who can't post up a stop sign and can't make a basket without paint under their feet.
Additionally, why do we want him taking more than three shots on a team that drops 120 on the Thunder in the western conference finals?
if all of them were ing up Bonner should've stepped up his game and do something productive like more 3s and better defense, he looks like he's always lost out there
Seriously you guys for making me have to defend him.
Be serious. Nobody is stupid enough to blame Bonner for missed FT's by Splitter. Bonner entered the game with the Spurs ahead by 19. One minute later, the lead was 14. THEN they started fouling Tiago. And Bonner's defense during that stretch didn't help.
And, no, it's not Bonner's fault directly when Tim turns the ball over. But when the other team can collapse on Tim because everyone can see that Bonner doesn't want to shoot it? That's a problem. And yeah, it does contribute to the turnovers by other players. I'm not a huge fan of the +/-, but I don't think it's coincidence that Bonner was -4 tonight.
In case you missed it the first time - when a guy who is out there to spread the floor doesn't want to take the shot, it's a problem. He's got to put them up when he's open, just to keep the defense honest. Yeah, it's better when he makes them. But he's not even a decoy if they know he's going to pass.
Most well reasoned and perfect argument for him I've ever seen here honestly
Obstructed_View with the reluctant goods.
you just can't tbh
Not sure what you took outta my last post T Park, but that's nowhere what I am saying. You said he is the fourth big, he's not currently. I could really careless about his
role, expectations, etc, but..
..When a rookie who's comes into the NBA with almost NO offensive skills and is shooting a higher 3PT % in the PO's than a supposed "marksman", that's an issue to me..
Its 100% on what your saying.
You say "Well hes the first big off the bench therefore he's not the fourth big"
Just because he comes off first doesn't mean he's high on the totem pole.
That's only in the regular season.
Durant shooting .340 from 3P this postseason. What a bum. Choker.
LeBron, .244. Awful. Hack hack choke. Worst postseason ever.
Kobe, .283. Guess he couldn't take the pressure.
When a person with rudimentary understanding of basketball and statistics tries to speak on a topic they are uninformed about, that's an issue to me.
I'm stoked we have Diaw. If not Bonner would be seeing around 25-30 minutes a game. His 17 minutes tonight was the most since Game 4 at Utah.
But I still don't see the point of this thread. We won. He didn't completely suck. He wasn't the worst player on the court tonight-I think Neal because of his defense on Fisher.
Plain and simple (this has been my argument for a while – maybe even 3 years) – the Spurs are going to need a complete performance from all of their players that get minutes. It’s funny the flack I’ve received for criticizing a role player, but here we are watching the Spurs go 10 deep in the playoffs – funny how that works.
The big 3 are no longer capable of doing what Durant, Westbrook and Harden can do and yet their advantage is the role players that surround them. I don’t know if it was Kenny or Chuck that said it, but it was a valid point that the Spurs don’t have to rely on their points from 3 players. But, I think they miss the point that the Spurs can no longer rely on their points just from 3 players.
It’s not just points either, it’s big plays that come from Diaw’s passing, Jackson, Leonard and Green’s defense and sometimes Neal, Leonard, Splitter, and Green’s offense.
At this point, I hope Bonner starts to play beyond what he’s done in the regular season just as his teammates have played beyond their regular season ability or at least on the same level. If he can’t, it will hurt the Spurs and at some point you have no option but to give Blair a try because at least he’s shown that he can create plays and on an occasion play beyond his regular season level. I get thate we're talking about limited minutes, but I still think that even 17 minutes of playing time can help influence the game.
Oh yeah, I still stick to the idea of using the amnesty on Bonner next year especially if it means bringing back Diaw.
just so I'm clear - the cap room necessary to sign diaw is not worth the amnesty on Bonner? If I don't understand this correctly, please elaborate
Blah. Bonner is shooting mostly non-contested set shots on an offense geared to get a shooter open. He's made one IIRC. The others you mentioned shoot mostly off the dribble, out of rythym, etc. Durant has had a few open shots usually off two or three picks, but I don't remember many open threes..misleading numbers, tbh.
HA! This made me feel like I was tripping acid again, and again, and again..
Not sure if srs?
Statistically, Bonner is one of the most efficient players on the Spurs, trailing only the big 3. They score far more points when he's on the floor AND they give up slightly less. In terms of points on the scoreboard (and thus of course wins), Bonner is indispensable.
Ignoring that, his salary this year is ~$3.3M, and I believe he stays under $4M next year. So it is VERY far from an albatross contract. On the contrary, it's quite the bargain. You only get to use the amnesty once, so you'd want to save it for a time that would have a huge impact, such as if if we still had RJ's contract.
Your amenesty idea, to be quite frank, is an embarrassment to the Spurs community. If I were a fan of another team and read your post, I would think Spurs fans have some sort of mental re ation. It is mind-blowingly stupid, to the point that it is, no exaggeration, the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum.
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