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I don't think we can get someone better back. At least not somebody who's better while Tim is here.
I think we see more TD & Tiago together next year as well. Nothing concrete to back it up, just a feeling.
Why?
He seems like a superior backup center who could be a workable starter for teams that run the pick and roll, so it doesn't seem crazy that he's worth roughly what George Hill was last year. All we would need is to find a GM with a hole in the middle who doesn't want to try to develop a prospect.
Am I missing something?
I don't think we can get someone better back. At least not somebody who's better while Tim is here.
I think we see more TD & Tiago together next year as well. Nothing concrete to back it up, just a feeling.
Just because of age or a combo of that and other factors (such as this draft being "deeper" than normal)?
If Hill nets you a 15 pick, do you not think Tiago is viewed around the league as more valuable (big man, pretty skilled overall)? I don't disagree with you and in thinking about it, it's hard to imagine Spurs getting the value they would want in order to part with him.
Rookies like Kawhi don't come along very often.
I doubt the Spurs strike gold like that two years in a row to justify a Tiago trade.
This years draft class is much, much deeper than last..a pick in this draft is going to be much more valuable than the 15 pick you got last year. Do you think before you post?
Too bad about bonner in the playoffs, through all the bonner hate i was beginning to warm up to the guy. Oh well peace out matty
This draft is stacked with big men. One or more of Meyers Leonard, John Henson, Tyler Zeller, Arnett Moultrie will be outside the top 10. If we can package Tiago with Neal for one them we should do it. Maybe it will turn out to be a bad move, but both Tim and the Spurs need to put some defence on the front line
What is more valuble - tweener guards or legit competent centers?
Agreed, but we gotta trust the front office. Hopefully if they see someone they like, they will be willing to trade for him.
I'm not sure he's superior at this point.
I'm not sure the consensus among GMs is "pretty skilled overall." He's a decent defender (if a flopper) and almost less than one dimensional on offense.
Hill seemed to be wanted pretty specifically by Bird and he paid the price to get him. There could be someone who feels the same about Splitter, but I can't think of any right now. He doesn't seem to have Orlando Gortat-like status at this point, but I could certainly be wrong.
By the time any of those guys can contribute on the same level as Tiago, Tim & Manu are out of the league.
People need to realize that there's a bigger learning curve for bigmen than swingmen.
When's the last time a big drafted in the mid-1st became an immediate contributor as a rookie or even in his 2nd season?
Kantor was drafted top 5 and he's still a couple of years away from being serviceable.
Agreed on that point for sure, but with a team like the Spurs that is trying to balance contending with rebuilding, you have to take some swings.
I obviously was assuming that they get a good offer and a guy they really like is there (I trust the Spurs FO when it comes to drafting). In that scenario, that is when I believe Tiago should at least be avaible, not to give away, but in a Kawhi type situation (top 15 pick that the Spurs are actually high on).
If Tiago is going to be entrusted with an expanding role, including a decent amount of minutes next to Tim, this is moot. If he isn't injury prone and is expected to be very healthy, same thing. That's the two things I question.
Competent centers of course..relatively speaking. But only if that center can hit free throws and not shrivel up in the playoffs, you know becoming a liability for his team.
I agree with chump, no way is 27 year old Tiago Splitter, after this playoff showing, netting you a top 15 pick in a draft stacked with 20-22 year old big men.
Lorbek is an awfully skilled bigman. He has the whole package on the offensive end. The knock on him is a big lack of athleticism but it's doesn't really mean he will be as bad defensively as Bonner. He certainly isn't a strong defender in Europe but he isn't a liability either.
Fair point, and since I have been one of the bigger Tiago supporters (still am), maybe my perception of his value is skewed.
In ranking my desires, it's that Tiago stays with the team and is entrusted with an expanded role which includes time next to Tim. I am really just speaking to the point that if that is not in the cards, due to the questionmarks in his game you mentioned, his age and a perception of injury, he should be decently available in a high draft pick sceanrio trade.
In your opinion, is he a better fit to start and play quality minutes next to Tim than Tiago?
But of course lack of athleticism isnt near the worry for a big man as is a pg or wing, so he sounds great to me
Tiago isn't a great defender, and when Tim is off the floor we struggle mightily to defend the paint. If one of the guys I mentioned can just improve our interior D with some shot blocking I think it could be worth it.
I trust the Spurs FO to make the right decision. If Tiago, Neal and Blair and still here next season then obviously none of the players they could trade up to get would have made us any better
The main issue with Splitter is that he will be a free agent next summer and he could get a big offer that Spurs don't want to match. I want Spurs to keep him because I think Splitter is a damn good player but trading him woudl be the right move if Spurs aren't ready to commit a lot of money on him.
Yeah, them + Bonner gives about 7 million in room to take back salary. That might be able to get us something decent on an S&T (Illyasova, please).
Green will be back for sure. He's been good except for the WCF. The WCF will drive down his price, and he likes being on this team. We have his early bird rights - we aren't going to burn some of our MLE/LLE to replace him.
No.
I think the Spurs might be able to get both Lorbek and Diaw. I can't see Diaw getting a big offer from some other team with his history, age, and known flaws so vividly illustrated in the WCF. IIRC the MLE is 5 Million Lorbek at 9 Million/3years and Diaw at 6 Million/3 years...
I don't put much of anything into that +/- stuff, case in point BONNERS high one alot of times and this here above. Leonard was a stud.
Its the Hill trade mentality - Do you have a player that is cheaper (or depth) where you can afford to give up one of your talented players to take a chance because you don't want to pay the money they likely will command.
Blair is the same situation (although less money than Hill or Tiago would likely command).
If the Spurs can get Lorbek for 2-3 years at a reasonable rate and maybe resign Boris, do they feel that is enough?
If they reach a Kawhi type situation, then I'd trust them to move Tiago as well.
I just think it's a lot easier to whiff on a big than a guard or swingman. And I don't see any bigs outside of the top 5 or 6 in this draft that I'm trading Tiago straight up for.
He has a jumper. That alone makes him a better fit next to Tim than Tiago is.
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